Charles Perry Locke wrote: DAVEH: Most everything I've discussed in TT has been in context of the Bible.DAVEH: OK Perry......So you are unified with them in this respect......that also makes you unified with LDS theology in this respect. It is the fringe elements where we part company..... DAVEH: Did you (or any other TTers) rejoice in them? After reading his post, I had to wonder for what purpose did he make them. Did it bring any edification? Even if the charges are/were true.......so what? Even rogues like myself are welcome in TT.The debates among Christians here on TT are pretty much in-house debates resolving issues that are interesting to understand, but do not determine our salvation. DAVEH: I'll be quite happy to leave Jesus to do his own house cleaning, as I think he prefers me to be a bit more forgiving than some TTers would chose. IMHO, 7 times 70 is not a finite number, but rather an attitude to be adopted that extends well beyond 490 times.I see peculiar activities and comments by street preachers on TT, and it makes me wonder what makes them tick. To me, they are seemingly preaching the hell-fire and brimstone religion of fear, rather than brotherly love. If I were to bet the farm on which person would be more likely to inherit the kingdom of God, Mother Theresa ministering to the poor......or......a street preacher waving underwear to draw attention to Jesus........If we look at Jesus cleansing the Temple, I didn't see much brotherly love being quietly expressed there. Also, He called the Pharisees vipers and sons of the Devil. So, there must be a time when harsh rebuking is merited.DAVEH: I'll be happy to let Jesus be the our Master Judge and Rebuker. For me, I've got enough beams in my eye to keep me busy removing while he does the heavy work. However, I think that there are some preachers who may go overboard in their attempt to draw people from their stupor and into a legitimate discussion. Have you ever stopped to think that although their measures may seem desparate, their intentions are good, i.e., they want to tell people of the real Christ.DAVEH: Can good intentions ever compensate for stupid behavior? How can they not see that dragging our Lord's name through the mud is detrimental to the message of the gospel? Who benefits from waving underwear, Perry? Do folks really convert because of such actions? Or.....does it cause them to reel in horror? That their initial target audience may now welcome such approaches, I'm not really concerned. IMHO, the street preachers are doing more damage to their cause than to our cause by such behavior, so I would normally not be concerned about such acts of obnoxiity (how's that for a new word!) What troubles me is the image they are projecting of Jesus to the world who knows him not. Do you think their weird actions are going to encourage non Christians to hear the gospel message? DAVEH: As in the quorum of the apostles, who were chosen and ordained by him?The LDS do not experience (as far as I know) such debates within the organization because they have a council that decides these issues and presents them as LDS doctrine. This is very similar, if not the same, as the RCC structure...issues of doctrine are decided by the church, then the people are told how to believe. DAVEH: Another thread is being discussed.....DAVEH: As you carefully pointed out above when you described the unity you have with other TTers, our focus is on Christ, who died for our sins. Isn't the rest just /fringe aspects/? There are a myriad of important things not told us by God ........that addresses this very matter. IMHO, that extra-biblical fringe is extremely important and needs to be recognized as such. If God has spoken to us outside the Bible, I don't think it is wise to assume only that which is found in the Bible is important. DAVEH: Go ahead and tell me what is needed to believe about Jesus other than what I have stated above, Perry. From what I've heard on TT, all other is just the fringe that doesn't matter. What beliefs about Jesus do you think absolutely matters?. I have demonstrated in a previous post about how the LDS God and Jesus differ drastically fom the biblical God and Jesus, so there is no chance they are the same. To say they are the same is to close your eyes to the differences and PRETEND that the LDS God and Jesus are the same as the Biblical God and Jesus. DAVEH: I don't follow Blaine's posts very closely. But what I have seen, he has only had time to briefly touch on LDS theology. Usually the responses to his posts are not ones that are really meant to discuss LDS theology, but rather intended to put a stop to a meaningful discussion.It has been demonstrated that if there is a link between the American natives and the Hebrews, it is very weak (i.e., not strong enough to verify the cultures described in the BoM), there is no archeological evidence of ancient cities or cultures of the magnitude of those described in the BoM, the BoM can be shown to have come from a manuscript of a novel that predates it by several years, and Kevin has been diligent in presenting quote after quote after quote that demonstrates the contradictory and deceitful nature of the LDS, so as far as I am concerned Mormonism is a dead issue. Nothing more to debate on it. BTW......I'm leaving tomorrow for a couple weeks. Headed your direction, but won't be close enough to stop by and visit. 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