Re: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious

[Wm. Taylor]

----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 9:32 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious Glad we can agree on something Bill - would you say that language is part of our problem?   bt: Yes I would. I want to respond to the language part, but in a separate post, one which takes into view some of the things others have been saying.   Jung changed the words because he knew ppl would reject him if he told them the truth.   bt: If he was doing that to deceive people, he was wrong. If was doing it to purvey truth (thank you, Marlin) to people unaccustomed to biblical terminalogy or put off by it, then he may have been attempting to do right. I'm not as familiar as you with him, so I'll trust your insight here.     I wonder if we have been doing this all along and this is why there is such confusion.   bt: Perhaps, to some extent, I have been (in speaking only for myself). But I would like to ask you to hold off judgment on this one until I get a chance to share in greater detail later on. I'll be exploring the question, Is there room in the professing church for a convergence of sorts between God's spoken words and words spoken about God, still his but expressed in fresh language.    Please be patient,     Bill      Why don't we call things what God calls them in His Word?  Jung is one thing, he was bitter toward his father and alienated from the life of God.  The professing church is another. judyt     [EMAIL PROTECTED]> jt > "We ignore them and hope they will go away."   Yeah, I hear that. It seems that there is no clear discernment in this area. Either we do as you say and never address the problem, or we go to the other extreme and start dusting demons out of the church and exercising pews. There does need to be some wisdom here, leaders with spiritual discernment.   Bill  ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 8:54 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] God in our unconscious I know I'm not Bill but I do know about F. Scott Peck and his books "The People of the Lie" and "The Road Less Travelled"  Peck is into the New Age concepts and he has Buddhist leanings so when he speaks of god within it is not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.    The term "unconscious" is from psychology by way of Carl Jung. We are not parts of God. He is Creator (transcendent) and we are part of His creation. However, he did create us spirit beings with a soul and a body so what Jung calls the "unconscious" is the human spirit.  The "collective unconscious" is the powers of darkness that all unregenerated ppl and some church members are tapped into; it is full of dark shadows and archetypes (in Jungs words); they are called demons in scripture and most church people do not like to talk about them.  We ignore them and hope they will go away.   judyt   Bill,   The picture you drew about God’s beauty brought tears to my eyes—so true! What do you think of M. Scott Peck’s words in “The Road Less Traveled”?---   “If you want to know the closest place to look for grace, it is within yourself. If you desire wisdom greater than your own, you can find it inside you. What this suggests is that the interface between God and man is at least in part the interface between our unconscious and our conscious. To put it plainly, our unconscious is God. God within us. We were part of God all the time. God has been with us all along is now, and always will be. “  Then he goes on to explain that this is what we term the presence of the Holy Spirit.   Izzy     Think with me for a moment about instinct, things that we know but cannot explain. How does a baby know to suck upon her mother's breast? How do we know to close our eyes when something is hurled at us? How do we know when we've seenthe beauty of a sunset or a rose or a bably calf running in the springtime with its head down and its tail straight up behind it, that God is wonderful, that God is beautiful, that God is good, that God is love? How do we know that a thought is placed in our mind by God and did not originate from within us? These instinctive-type disclosers are relational, I believe, because we are created in the image of a relational God, a Triune God who is One by way of relationship between Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.   When I think about defining "relationship" with the Lord, I want to leave room in my explanation for these theological instincts, awarenesses of God in the presence of which I can only marvel. I also want tobe humble enough to remember that I know more than I can say. Relationship is fellowship with the Father through Jesus Christ in the Holy Spirit. It is participation in the Truth, the Creator of reality -- Existence himself.