David Miller wrote: > That would be like me trying to look up third party > support for Jesus actually existing and dying for > the sins of the world.
Jonathan wrote: > Sorry David but I want to pick up on this point > you made. I believe that Jesus did die for the > sins of the world. I do too. Jonathan wrote: > However, I think that most people (possibly including > yourself) really read this idea/verse as if Jesus came > to take away the sins of the Christians, or the sins > of those who got their theology right, or those who > followed enough of the law to be justified, or those > who prayed a certain prayer, or those who repented? No, that would not include me. I believe that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. I actually taught this at church last Sunday. Jonathan wrote: > (Note here that in the parable of the prodigal son, > the son's repentance has absolutely nothing to do > with the Father's acceptance and loving embrace True, but his repentance had everything to do with his relationship with his Father being restored. Jonathan wrote: > So my question for the group is this: Although > the Bible specifically states that He came to take > away the sins of the world (that is the entire world, > not just a subset of people), why do some here continue > to claim that He only took away the sins of the > Christians? I certainly do not teach that. Most Christians, in fact, are going to hell, in my opinion. Jonathan wrote: > Also note 2 Cor 5:19. Was Christ actually reconciling > the world to himself or just a few of us? "For God was > in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer > counting people's sins against them. This is the > wonderful message he has given us to tell others". He was reconciling the world to himself, not just a few of us. See also the following passages: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. (1 John 2:2 KJV) And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. (Colossians 1:20 KJV) Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida. ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
