Re: [TruthTalk] Perversion

[Bill Taylor]

jt: People who have been made free in Christ no longer have "those tendencies"  Jesus not only paid the price for our sin, he also gives us freedom from the power of it in our lives when we come to Him with our whole heart.   Judy, do you live your life completely free of temptation? If not, then do you deny that it is the things that you are most inclined towards that are now your greatest source of temptation? Can one be tempted by something she has no inclination to do? Of course not! Jesus says temptation begins within us. If you didn't have the internal desire, the "temptation" could not attract you. Jesus said, "For from within, out of a person's heart, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, eagerness for lustful pleasure, envy, slander, pride, and foolishness. All these vile things come form within" (Mar 7.21-23. Emphasis mine). And James says there is an army of evil desires within you: "What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don't they come from your desires that battle within you?" (Jam 4.1).   To say that people who have been made free in Christ no longer have "those tendencies," is to say that they no longer suffer temptation. Are you willing to go this far? Do you have a tendency to be prideful? Do you tend toward foolishness? Are you quarrelsome? Do you tend toward any of these things? The tendency of "gay types" towards sexual immorality comes from the same source as your tendencies; they come from within them. And like you, if they are believers in Christ, they no longer have to give in to those desires, but to say that because they have been made free in Christ, they must no longer be tempted, is wrong. I hope you will reconsider your statement.   Bill        ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 7:59 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Perversion   Bill Taylor wrote:   Bill, there is no question that we can apply the word perverts to homos. They practice sexual perversion.  It takes a humble man to agree with God, even when that doesn't sound politically correct or "nice".  Iz Where is this "humble man" who agrees with God? In John's address he said that he was also speaking of people who have those tendencies but are not acting on them. That is not perversion, Izzy -- it may even be righteousness: "And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God" (1Cor 6.11).   jt: People who have been made free in Christ no longer have "those tendencies"  Jesus not only paid the price for our sin, he also gives us freedom from the power of it in our lives when we come to Him with our whole heart.   To lump people like this in with the "perverts," and call them all a "filty (sic) disgusting bunch," speaks far more truth into the perversion of your own nature than it does theirs. Humility hardly covers it.  Bill   jt: Nothing wrong with calling something what it is and hating the sin but being willing to love the sinner and help them to separate themselves from it.  I appreciate Terry's blunt way of putting things because it shakes one out of lethargy and makes us take a hard look. There is so much perversion all around us these days that we are in danger of becoming comfortable with it.  It comes right into our living rooms on the TV and doesn't always look like what Terry described in the prisons although it's all the same under the surface. Satan comes as an angel of light and he can make bitter look sweet and darkness appear to be light. Has anyone seen that  transexual golfer?  Many believe the antichrist will be homosexual also because of the passage in Daniel that says "Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god for he shall magnify himself above all" - This type of arrogance is evident in the homosexual community.  judyt