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DAVEH: Do you believe God could reveal his will to prophets in
post Bible times? Or do you believe God no longer needs prophets to
reveal his will....effectively meaning the heavens are closed?
Again, I would not reference my belief in terms of
"heaven closed" God can do anything He wants -- just as He has in
the past. Prophecy is one of the spiritual gifts Paul mentions in I
Corninthians and is a desireable gift. Perhaps we have a difference
in definition on this one. A prophet who functions as a spokesman for
God to a nation of God's people ????? no , I do not believe that to
be the case. There is no nation. The prophet in the church, today,
functions for a very different reason. Eph 4:11-16 gives us several
categories of leaders within the assembly of the the Saints (whether
latter day or otherwise) AND the purpose/mission of each. In
scrpture (and this is what an Okie pastor thinks -- someone else can
polish up the theology of it all). The "apostle" was not a ranking
of ficial in the church -- rather he was one to whom God gave the
ministry we see in the "Great Commission." Their work was
evangelistic in concept and foundational in nature. All of the
Christian church was founded upon the work of these righteous
ancients. Why do you suppose we hear next to nothing about this group
of men? Well, I believe it is because they were busy. They were
the ones who could resist poisonings, raise the dead, work the
miracles, testify first hand to the incarnation and blessed
resurrection. Tradition tells us that each - to a man - died for this
foundational work. We have prophets in the church today ..... but
their ministry reflects the purposes set forth in this Ephesian
passage. Ditto for the evangelists, pastors and teachers.
DAVEH: Thanx for your explanation, John. Do you believe we have
prophets in the church today as well?
As important as Paul is, he is not one of the 12. The Chruch
of Jesus Christ was founded on the work and mission of the original 12
and their names appear on the 12 foundation stones in The City from
Heaven for that very reason. I do not confuse Paul and Barnabas with
the 12. That they share in this foundational ministry is
undeniable, however. This foundational ministry has been accomplished
!! The church, in all it's imperfectons, is 2000 years old. The
extended ministry is not one of a foundational nature but one of
reconcliation - to which we have all been called (II Cor 5:18).
DAVEH: ??? Are you suggesting Judas was more important as an
apostle than Paul? Is Judas' name engraved on the foundation, and
there is no room for subsequent others?
Judas did not live long to receive the Commission of the
Twelve nor the victory that rose up from his own
betrayal.................................of course.
DAVEH: So....would his name be engraved with the other eleven?
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