Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

Fri, 25 Nov 2005 13:14:49 -0800

cd: You said "both are sinners"-that is saying there is no difference.
 
It depends of what the definition of "are" is!

Dean Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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I have never said this:   You have said- There is no difference between the saved and the lost regarding sin. 
 
cd: You said "both are sinners"-that is saying there is no difference.
 
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It is not child like faith that disgards the MSS and preaches dependence on a single man-made translation, it is childishness.    :-) 
 
cd: Yet it would seem that these children on this site could teach you many things-Where has you MSS gotten you.You have said- There is no difference between the saved and the lost regarding sin. Yet the saved have the Holy Spirit teaching them how to avoid sin. This is pre-bible 101 stuff John.I feel sorry for the poor little weak Christians that don't know any better that that.
 
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Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:40:12 -0500
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

You misrepresent the B side of the room.   The final authority is what God wants me to see as I read a given text  .....................   not what a translator wants me to believe.   You want to toss the MSS and trust a given man-made edition of the bible without personal verification  --  be my guest.   I would be an ignorant man to do so  .................  not to mention the limiting effect it would have on what God is doing or teaching me in my life.  
 
jd 
cd: My recommendation for this solution is to have a simple child-like trust in the KJ-This type of trust invokes God and you will understand far more then what you glean from the Greek.
 
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From: Kevin Deegan <openairmission@yahoo.com>
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:10:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor

cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and English
languages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B of
this room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of a
dead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there to
help them understand-No wonder Jesus marveled that God hid it from the wise
and gave it to children
 
The CREED of the Alexandrian Cult
There is no final authority but God.
 
Since God is a Spirit, there is no final authority that can be seen, heard, read, felt, or handled.
 
Since all books are material, there is no book on this earth that is the final and absolute authority on what is right and what is wrong: what constitutes truth and what constitutes error.
 
There WAS a series of writings one time ( called the Originals) which, IF they had all been put into a BOOK as soon as they were written the first time, WOULD HAVE constituted an infallible and final authority by which to judge truth and error.
 
However, this series of writings was lost, and the God who inspired them was unable to preserve their content through Bible-believing Christians at Antioch (Syria), where the first Bible teachers were (Acts 13:1), and where the first missionary trip originated (Acts 13:1-52), and where the word 'Christian originated (Acts 11:26).
 
So, God chose to ALMOST preserve them through Gnostics and philosophers from Alexandria, Egypt, even though God called His Son OUT of Egypt (Matthew 2), Jacob OUT of Egypt (Genesis 49), Israel OUT of Egypt (Exodus 15), and Joseph's bones OUT of Egypt (Exodus 13).
 
So, there are two streams of Bibles: the most accurate (though, of course, there is no final, absolute authority for determining truth and error: it is a matter of "preference") are the Egyptian translations from Alexandria, Egypt, which are "almost the originals," although not quite.
 
The most inaccurate translations were those that brought about the German Reformation (Luther, Zwingli, Boehier, Zinzendorf, Spener, etc.) and the worldwide missionary movement of the English-speaking people: the Bible that Sunday, Torrey, Moody, Finney, Spurgeon, Whitefleld, Wesley, and Chapman used.
 
But we can "tolerate these if those who believe in them will tolerate US. After all. Since there is NO ABSOLUTE AND FINAL AUTHORITY that anyone can read, teach, preach. or handle, the whole thing is a matter of "PREFERENCE." You may prefer what you prefer, and we will prefer what we prefer; let us live in peace, and if we cannot agree on anything or everything, let us all agree on one thing: THERE IS NO FINAL, ABSOLUTE, WRITTEN AUTHORITY OF GOD ANYWHERE ON THIS EARTH.


Dean Moore <cd_moore@earthlink.net> wrote:
cd: This is really scary in leu of level of debate on the Greek and English
languages. The Bible say a child can understand the Gospel-yet side B of
this room are concerned about the present tense and passive voices of a
dead language to explain the Gospel and the brethren have to go there to
help them understand-No wonder Jesus marveled that God hid it from the wise
and gave it to children-Point-What do the teachings of Gods words instruct
one to do-Then live by that-for you will be judged by that standard- if the
heart is true to the intent of wanting truth-the proud will never see it
anyway.


> [Original Message]
> From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To:
> Date: 11/24/2005 6:40:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] corrector/revisor
>
> Bill wrote:
> > You highlight the problem with leaving off the
> > present passive aspect of this participle, David;
>
> I have not left off the present passive aspect. In English, we don't
> conjugate the participle this way, but the phrase is clear enough for
those
> of us who understand English. It carries over the present tense and
passive
> voice just fine.
>
> Bill wrote:
> > hence loosing track of the unfinished- or
> > incompleteness of it.
>
> You are reading to much into first year textbook definitions, Bill. I
> expect more from you.
>
> Bill wrote:
> > Do you presume to have finished the race,
> > while waiting for the likes of Paul to catch up?
>
> No, of course not. My comments to Judy make this clear, and illustrate
why
> this thread is so ridiculous. I agree with you about the reality that
> sanctification is an ongoing process. My comments to you concerned the
> exe gesis of this one passage. Your question to me here misses my point
> entirely. Regardless of how I answer your question (and you already know
my
> answer from past posts), the text you exegete is uneffected by the
answer.
> In other words, your question is irrelevant, so why waste the time asking
> it?
>
> Present tense passive voice in English is the same as present tense
passive
> voice in Greek. Why are you trying to make out like it is something
> different? It almost seems like you are presenting a situation where
you,
> as a student of Greek, have personal private knowledge that others lack.
Do
> you really think they are handicapped in understanding this passage
because
> of their lack of formal education in the Greek language?
>
> Peace be with you.
> David Miller.
>
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