Le Thu, 17 Nov 2011 15:23:16 -0300, Luis Falcon <lfal...@gnusolidario.org> a écrit :
> > > > According to me goals are goals that we want to achieve. It may > > happen, the focus is on those points but I may not happen. > > > > We are in a free software world, it will happen if anybody is ready > > to work on it and if anybody has time for it. If one of those > > condition is not met, it will not happen ; if a more important stuff > > arise in the community (I don't know what but who knows), it will > > not happen ; etc … Moreover, this point is IMHO not more important > > than some others. To change that either you do it yourself or you > > pay someone to do it : this is free software. > > I don't agree. I believe we need to have commitment in what we talk, > suggest and write. A project must meet and deliver its goals. Then, of > course, in rare circumstances, something might not be delivered on > time, but that would be just an exception. I think we don't miss commitment, but the amount of tasks is not small neither. So it's difficult to plan precisely what will be done. A lot of companies have already contributed for this feature on Elveos, so the probability are high that this module will be ready for the next release. But I'm pretty sure that all the goals will not be met (what I see is that goals that never get implemented were bad ideas, so it's not necessarily bad). But anyway it's interesting to put too much goals on the wiki, because it help to synchronize effort between us, it also encourage people to develop features publicly if they see that others are interested. > What we can't do is getting do meeting in Belgium, move people around > from many countries around the world, agreed on the production module > and now say "we'll see if it happens...." or "this is free software > world and things might not happen". Is just not serious. It sounds like the meeting was about the production module, while the proposal is on Elveos since September. But IMO the problem with Elveos is that there are no deadline on the offer, what happens if there are no more financial participation, should we wait forever ? Isn't it a poker game were everyone is encouraged to wait: "Let's wait a bit before contributing, maybe someone will pay the missing amount". > Same with the homepage.... quite a few people worked on design, made > proposals, etc... and nothing happened yet, even though most of us > wanted to update it. Things get washed away but discussions about > templates / vim / Sphinx and other curiosities.... Yes those discussions are tiring, and for the website I had it at least 3 times (mainly because the current solution is a pita): one inside B2CK, one on irc and more recently on the mailing list. Before this last discussion is what pretty clear (at least for me) that the preferred solution is to go with Sphinx, then suddenly the subject appeared on the ML and everyone launched ideas in several directions. So it was clear for some of us and not for the others, so it didn't help. Anyway tiring discussions is better than not at all. > Don't get me wrong. This is a great project and that's why a lot of us > are here, contributing and supporting it, but we need to deliver the > goals, otherwise it will become chaotic and unpredictable. > > PS: Time to have the Tryton foundation. > -- Bertrand Chenal B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email: bertrand.che...@b2ck.com Website: http://www.b2ck.com/ -- tryton-dev@googlegroups.com mailing list
