That's a false argument. They have been pandering that line ever since programming started as a profession. After all, wasn't that COBOL was meant to do? The business can do it!
Programmers are NOT people who merely read/write code. Programmers are problem solvers. It will also be a speciality. At least until (if ever) we have a suitable AI and in that case, say good bye to almost every job and say hello to the world of Wall-E. As to being one of those people, while I may not have 40+ years experience, I've done everything from x86 ASM to .NET. What I appreciate are tools which can help abstract away pointless boilerplate code, reduce typing (Intellipoint), increase maintainability, scalability, etc. I want to concentrate on the business logic, not work out how I have to redesign solutions because the DB licence structure is restrictive (and excessively prohibitive in the age of the web). -----Original Message----- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 3:48 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? Be careful what you wish for. I didn't start out as a programmer, my degree is in Electronics Engineering, my early career was designing, building, and repairing many of the early computer systems. As time went on I had to change what I was doing because with throw away computer parts you no longer need a person that can tell you what is inside of the box all you need is someone that can replace it. The same thing is happening in the software business. With all of the new point and click tools you will eventually no longer need someone that can actually read code. Why do you think all of the software jobs are being outsourced. A person that needs to read code is no longer needed. As soon as they can figure out how to make the tools build logic into it, you're gone. It's not that far in the future. Now if you are one of the people that could never read the code or make heads or tails of business logic I can see why you would want the stuff that does it for you, but I don't think you are. Jerry On 2/2/2011 9:42 PM, Dan McGrath wrote: > There are people who work on/drive cars much older than that. Yes, > they still work, are functional and can sometimes look amazing. When > it comes to utility though, they rarely match the total feature set > available on the newer cars. Side& Passenger Airbags, smoother rides, > 5 star safety ratings, air conditioning... > > Point being, just because something is old and still in use, doesn't > mean it is the best solution either technically or productively wise. > It can have its place, but not every place. Unless of course they > continue to evolve it, not just keep it running. > > I love MV databases and the unique opportunities it presents. It also > has its issues that have been solved for a long time in 'the newest > fashion fad' for which the MV databases desperately need to catch up > with. Well, that is if they really want to increase the > development/market share of the product, as opposed to merely > 'supporting' current ISV solutions just enough to stop people > absolutely needing to migrate away. > > * If I had anything remotely as useful/polished as Visual Studio to > develop my life would be bliss. > ** Development toolset in general is severely lacking > * Licence model is frustration+ if you stray away from Telnet sessions > ** It's so open to interpretation its ridiculous > > -----Original Message----- > From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org > [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Jerry > Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 2:09 PM > To: U2 Users List > Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? > > There are people on this list that have been working with this > database for 40 years or more, can you say that about the products you > are so hyped up on. This database/environment/platform has outlived > all other databases. It has outlived it's creators. It survives > because it does what it is supposed to do. It was created to live and > evolve. Long after the databases that you are extolling the virtues of > have biten the dust it will continue. What you and many other people > see is the glitz and glamor the newest fashion fad while the Plain > Jane over in the corner does it's job. All hail Plain Jane. > > Jerry > > On 2/2/2011 12:58 PM, phil walker wrote: >> Comments in line. >> >> There are know right or wrong answers here but I would rather not >> have > >> to rely completely on one technology platform, even Microsoft ...or >> apple ;-) That was also a joke... >> >> So those of you who do not change or cannot get Rocket to change, >> good > >> luck with your future business. >> >> ...probably enough has been said down this path... >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- >>> boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of fft2...@aol.com >>> Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 7:31 a.m. >>> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org >>> Subject: Re: [U2] What do you do with CallHTTP? >>> >>> Let's not forget here that the business user wants a solution. >> [phil walker] That's right. >>> >>> If you can come in, with their solution, and no one else can, and >> you're a >>> good salesperson, and the price is right, you get the signature most >> of the >>> time. >> [phil walker] Why not get it all of the time. >>> >>> The reason products like Shims took off is because there was >>> literally >> no >>> competition in the marketplace they were addressing (small >> manufacturing >>> and distribution companies), and what competition there was, was >>> five >> times >>> the price. That was a complete solution. >>> >>> Companies who *already* have an infrastructure and personnel >> investment >>> in certain technologies, of course will desire to adhere to those. >> But that is >>> not a show stopper, just a big boulder in the path. >> [phil walker] Rightly or wrongly it is a fairly big boulder. So why >> not pick your battles. >>> If you can show how much more fabulous your business solution is, >>> than >> the last guys, you can get >>> companies to switch from PCs to Macs.... 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