Atul - for me, that wiki page sums up the proposals very well!  Sufficiently
detailed to understand what motivates each goal, a good range of targets,
without sounding like a wishy-washy 'mission statement'.
If I think of more, I will certainly throw them on there for discussion.


Regards,
Gary


On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:36 AM, Atul Varma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> It's clear that there's a lot of really awesome directions Ubiquity can go,
> but it looks like we need to focus in on what particular directions we want
> to take it over the next two months.  As Aza has proposed, we can innovate
> the user interface and mechanisms for allowing the community to contribute
> to UI innovation; we could also work on the herd, like fern suggested; and
> Gary makes a very good argument for stabilizing our current feature set.
>
> I've created a work-in-progress 0.2 roadmap on the wiki here:
>
>   https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/Ubiquity/0.2_Roadmap_Proposals
>
> I've tried adding what people have mentioned here so far.  If you guys
> don't mind, could you please take  a look at it and add anything that you
> feel is necessary?  Once we've got all our ideas down, we can start figuring
> out how to pare things down based on Ubiquity's vision.  Please also feel
> free to justify your rationale for features that you're particularly
> interested in.
>
> - Atul
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:58 AM, Abimanyu Raja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>> The reason it's called The Herd: http://www.toolness.com/wp/?p=144
>>
>> 2008/11/6 indolering <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>>> Can we call it something with better connotations than "The Herd?"
>>>
>>> I mean, the democrats lost, badly, for the past 8 years because they
>>> failed to correctly frame (http://tiny.cc/frame448) their viewpoints
>>> and evoke the right emotions, until Barak got them all excited with
>>> his rhetoric.
>>>
>>> It's hard to get excited about being a cow : (
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, and now we should get back on topic : )
>>> -Zak
>>>
>>> On Nov 4, 6:39 am, "Abimanyu Raja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> > Haha..yes. We should do that.
>>> >
>>> > 2008/11/4 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >
>>> > > Why not get Ubiquity on addons.mozilla.com in the first place?
>>> >
>>> > > On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Abimanyu Raja <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >> Yep, the social aspects like on addons.mozilla.com should also be
>>> part of
>>> > >> The Herd, imo.
>>> >
>>> > >> I agree with Gary. That's why I wanted to include improving
>>> performance as
>>> > >> a major goal. Specifically, the tickets he mentioned, adding back
>>> old
>>> > >> features and replacing the annotation service. Regarding planning
>>> for 0.2, I
>>> > >> think it's just about setting the long term goals. In the end, they
>>> have to
>>> > >> be broken to smaller milestones as Aza said. So, I think that
>>> performance
>>> > >> issues, a goal for 0.2, should probably be the focus for 0.1.4
>>> (assuming
>>> > >> 0.1.3 is focused on skinning). Or we should swap the focuses. 0.1.3
>>> should
>>> > >> be for performance issues. I would really like the context menu and
>>> > >> noun-first suggestions back. And of course, we should really try not
>>> to
>>> > >> break people's current behavior (esp. noun-first suggestions).
>>> >
>>> > >> I feel like we need to delegate work (at least for a few key issues)
>>> to
>>> > >> make faster progress.
>>> >
>>> > >> - Abi
>>> >
>>> > >> 2008/11/4 Gary Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> >
>>> > >> Hi guys,
>>> >
>>> > >>> Whilst some of the goals for 0.2 sound fun, in my opinion there are
>>> some
>>> > >>> fundamentals that perhaps should be addressed beforehand.  For
>>> example,
>>> > >>> reintroducing functionality that was lost with 0.1.2 (e.g. tickets
>>> #358,
>>> > >>> #359 & #394 are some I raised about this :-), stabilising the
>>> codebase, and
>>> > >>> addressing performance. Something else that really needs addressing
>>> is the
>>> > >>> trust-network and the way commands are subscribed to. I've read a
>>> few blog
>>> > >>> posts, and received a couple of emails, saying that the major
>>> factor that is
>>> > >>> stopping people from adopting Ubiquity is the security risk of
>>> subscribing
>>> > >>> to new commands.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Perhaps these are planned for a prior release, but considering
>>> 0.1.2 was
>>> > >>> about 6 weeks late, and 0.1.3 still has 28 active tickets, planning
>>> 0.2 for
>>> > >>> the end of 2008 seems a little over-ambitious. I don't want to rain
>>> on the
>>> > >>> parade - I love hacking away at new stuff with the best of them -
>>> but
>>> > >>> without some core stability I think the user base will lose
>>> interest and
>>> > >>> we'll be left with an interesting toy for a handful of people, but
>>> no
>>> > >>> wide-spread adoption.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Of course this is only my take on things, and perhaps not seeing
>>> the
>>> > >>> bigger picture :-)  I hope these comments are taken in a positive
>>> way.
>>> >
>>> > >>> Cheers
>>> >
>>> > >>> Gary
>>> >
>>> > >>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Fernando Takai <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>> > >>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>> Yes, but herd needs to be improved. For example, we need to add
>>> social
>>> > >>>> features like rating, commenting -- and we need to have a place to
>>> host
>>> > >>>> commands, like gist, but ours.
>>> >
>>> > >>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Dean Landolt <
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 1:03 PM, Fernando Takai <
>>> > >>>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > >>>>>> Ubiquity planet is like an addon.firefox.com for commands (if
>>> im not
>>> > >>>>>> mistaken).
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Wouldn't that be the Herd?
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> Typically planets are just aggregators for specific communities
>>> of
>>> > >>>>> interest [1] -- so of people that often blog about Ubiquity, it's
>>> just one
>>> > >>>>> central place that pulls in those posts. Unless you mean
>>> something else,
>>> > >>>>> Aza?
>>> >
>>> > >>>>> [1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_(software)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_%28software%29>
>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_%28software%29>
>>> >
>>> > >>>> --
>>> > >>>> Fernando "Takai"
>>> > >>>>http://flickr.com/photos/supeertakai
>>> > >>>>http://fernandotakai.wordpress.com
>>> > >>>>http://fernandotakai.jaiku.com
>>> >
>>> > > --
>>> > > Mayuresh
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> >
>

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