I agree with Julien. Our purpose is to give a pure GNOME experience. The average user doesn't care if they are using Totem or VLC, they want a Video Player and they will most probably have only one video player installed.
On 26 June 2015 at 17:33, Julien Olivier <jul...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, sorry, my explanation lacked an important detail: I reckon the > GNOME developers wanted to use generic names for first-party apps only (and > thus, for one and only one app for each task). Third party apps are still > displayed using their real name. > > I might be wrong though, or GNOME developers might also have changed their > strategy since the last time I checked... > > > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 16:04 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit : > > I believe there is a middle point for this: > > "Gedit text editor" > "Nautilus file manager" > "Firefox web browser" > etc. > > If someone names simply "Web browser" to Epiphany, how is named > Firefox?? In a bad names strategy, user could see this in an > applications menu: > Web browser <- This is Firefox (you must know) > Web browser <- This is Mirori (you must know) > Web browser <- This is Icecat (you must know) > ...no sense. > > It's very difficult for casual (or new) users this other extreme in a > bad names strategy: > Sylpheed <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > Evolution <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > Geary <- This is an e-mail software (you must know) > > > El 26/06/15 a les 11:13, Julien Olivier ha escrit:> Hi Bart, list,> > the > thing with names is that it's better when they actually *mean*> something. An > experimented user will immediately know that Firefox is a> web browser or > that Evolution is an email program. But normal users will> have no clue about > it :) Some apps use names that provide clues as to> what the purpose of the > app is, like Rhythmbox or Gedit, but most don't.> > I think the recent trend > among GNOME developers is that the app name is> more like an internal code, > not aimed at being used in the user experience.> > Maybe a good way to fix > your problem would be to have a "Launch in> terminal" entry in the app's dash > icon, next to "New Window" and "Add to> favourites", possibly as a GNOME > Shell extension ?> > Le vendredi 26 juin 2015 à 10:25 +0200, Bart Schouten a > écrit :>> Quoting Narcis Garcia <informat...@actiu.net > <mailto:informat...@actiu.net <informat...@actiu.net>>>:>>>> > I agree with > Keith Grider in a subject: "please name all programs in the>> > UI the same > as the cli (...) if you want to diagnose the problem, you>> > need to grep > all over the internet to find out what the program name is>> > to be able to > launch from the command line to see what errors are occurring">> >>> > This > problem is worse with localized UI.>>>> Yes. It makes no sense to name > something "File Manager" instead of >> "Nautilus" when Nautilus is a name > you can love and a brand name. >> Kubuntu (KDE) just puts a like subtitle > next to the real name in the >> menu to describe it. I don't think "File > Manager" (or whatever) makes >> much sense and you cannot love it. Only the > most mediocre computer >> users do not know what "file manager" or anything > with a name is and >> some of them don't even know what the button "web" is > supposed to do >> (in a kiosk computer). You can't really cater to them. > Those users >> can't use Linux anyway. People who have to learn how to use a > mouse >> and who cannot make double-clicks without moving the mouse too much > >> (it happens all too common). I don't think that should be your target >> > audience. A proficient computer user that cannot use a mouse and does >> not > know what a file manager icon is supposed to do -- they can never >> use > linux. They couldn't use Windows. You'd only give them a Mac, at >> best. I > feel it is catering to the lowest common denominator.>>>> Personally I think > Gnome would be at least twice as good if they got >> rid of those confusing > names when there are good names for those >> programs already.>>>> Just my > opinion, as well.>>>> Bart.>>>> >>> >>> >>> > El 25/06/15 a les 15:44, Keith > Grider ha escrit:>> >> Hi,>> >>>> >> I have been running Gnome desktop under > Ubuntu since 11.04. I did not>> >> like Unity and did not like the Gnome > fallback. Tried Elementary OS for>> >> a while and came back to Ubuntu Gnome > because they are so slow to>> >> release Freya.>> >>>> >> The new Gnome in > 15.04 seems snappier and I like it. I could care less>> >> about the cutting > edge, latest Gnome, I just want it to run. I am in the>> >> process of > upgrading my computers from 14.04 to 15.04. 2 down and 2 to>> >> go. There > are some kernel improvements in 15.04 which help a couple>> >> issues I was > having with 14.04 (1 is that network manager is somewhat>> >> broken in > 14.04.2 The via_velocity module will not reconnect to the lan>> >> after > suspend and another is with wifi on my laptop.)>> >>>> >> Stuff that does not > work or does not work 'correctly' in 15.04, IMO:>> >>>> >> 1. I can no > longer unload a module at suspend time. I know this is a>> >> kernel > problem and not Gnome, but it is a problem for me. I used to>> >> be able > to do this with 13.04, but since 12.04, I can no longer get>> >> it to > unload the aic7xxx module before suspending. No matter what I>> >> put in > the |/etc/pm/config.d/modules, it will not unload. As soon as>> >> I try > to use that module, the kernel panics and locks up the>> >> computer. It > is an old card, but runs my scanner just fine. It used>> >> to work > correctly and now it only works after boot and crashes after>> >> the > first suspend resume cycle. I can do it by hand and can also>> >> > blacklist it so I cna load it when I need it, but it should be able>> >> > to be automated, this is a regression.>> >> |>> >> 2. ||The Gnome login > screen needs a suspend time out. As it is, I have>> >> my users set auto > suspend after 30 minutes. It would be nice if I>> >> could set that for > The Gnome login screen as well via the Gnome UI>> >> somehow. It has been > this way for a while and it is a regression, IMO.>> >> 3. The Gnome login > screen does not have a suspend option. All I can do>> >> is shut down or > reboot from the login screen.>> >> 4. The openjdk-*-jre install no longer > has a .desktop file for right>> >> clicking and launching *.jar files in > Nautilus, it must be created>> >> by hand to run these files.>> >> 5. > Please, please, please name all programs in the UI the same as the>> >> > cli... Please. It is tough to click and try to launch something in>> >> > the UI, have nothing happen then if you want to diagnose the>> >> > problem, you need to grep all over the internet to find out what the>> >> > program name is to be able to launch from the command line to see>> >> > what errors are occurring. I do not have a specific example right>> >> > now, but could find one if you need. I think one of them is 'files'.>> >> > Just call it 'nautilus'.>> >>>> >> Keep up the good work.>> >>>> >> Keith>> > >>>> >>>> >> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 10:19 PM, Ali/amjjawad > <amjja...@gnome.org <mailto:amjja...@gnome.org <amjja...@gnome.org>>>> >> > <mailto:amjja...@gnome.org <amjja...@gnome.org>>> wrote:>> >>>> >> Dear > everyone,>> >>>> >> Before we start the planning for this cycle (Wily > Werewolf - 15.04),>> >> I'd like to run this survey before anything > else:>> >>>> >> https://ubuntugnome.org/feedback-time/>> >>>> >> It > would be very important for me and everyone else to understand>> >> what > we have done, what we are doing and what we are suppose to do>> >> in the > future. Above all, we do need to understand what *OUR USERS*>> >> think > :)>> >>>> >> I am having very limited time to spend so if the survey is > bad or>> >> lack some questions, etc .. please keep in mind that this is > what my>> >> time allowed me to do. I think I did my best and I'd like > to>> >> apologize in advance for any inconvenience.>> >>>> >> You can > *ALWAYS* write to us and send your feedback here, on this>> >> mailing > list:>> >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/ContactUs>> >>>> >>>> >> > and/or *FEEL FREE to contact me* :)>> >>>> >>>> >> The survey should > *NOT* take more than _*3 minutes*_ from your time.>> >>>> >> *Here is the > direct link:*>> >> http://goo.gl/forms/sXdsxPIkfZ>> >>>> >> You can > only answer it ONE time so please, make sure to read the>> >> questions > carefully ;)>> >>>> >> Thank you so much!>> >>>> >> -->> >> > Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us.">> >>>> >> Best > Regards,>> >> Ali/amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad>>> >>>> >> > *http://kibo.computer* - http://torios.net - Ubuntu GNOME>> >> > <http://ubuntugnome.org/>>> >>>> >> -->> >> Ubuntu-GNOME mailing > list>> >> Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>> > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>>> >> > Modify settings or unsubscribe at:>> >> > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > >>> > -->> > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list>> > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com > <mailto:Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com <Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com>>>> > > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: >> > > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome>> >>>>>>>>>> > > > > > > -- > Ubuntu-GNOME mailing list > Ubuntu-GNOME@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-gnome > >
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