Hi, I feel like I need to say something to this conversation as I found this subject quite disturbing. As part of my work I install Ubuntu systems to customers and use Ubuntu for long years now, having been through almost all distros of Ubuntu. I have done some testing too and helped on bug squad some. These days did not have that much time to contribute, but I do my best as you guys.
While the discussion on this forum seems to be a lot of back and forth this is nothing to what is going on on the actual bug report and forum there. Reading it through I do not have a doubt in my mind that this IS an actual bug even though I am not effected by it. If one does a dist upgrade and his system was working before and after the upgrade going through without any warning it lives him with an unusable (even though fixable) system it is something you would not expect dist upgrade to do - thus it is a bug, per definition of a bug. A part of a system does something that you do not expect it to do and of course it is quite high priority since en entire system becomes broken and it apparently effects multiple users. There is something else quite disturbing though. There seem to be one person in the programmer side of the team that keeps disagreeing with the everyone else and is able to push her own opinion (which seems very wrong by the way) in front of the entire community. When you look at the bug report the status is being set back and forth and that one person apparently just "cancelling" this bug while it is reported by a number of others. This very point is the main concern on this whole thing. If Ubuntu is a community, which it should be, then this should not ever happen. One person's opinion should not over rule everyone else's opinion. I am not sure who she is, but this whole process was not something that you could call an executive decision. Perhaps she had no capacity, knowledge, or interest to fix this bug and thus wanted to put it under the carpet for whatever reason. And the reason does not even matter here! It is a community and this would be a point when others could step in an offer their expertise and time and do fix the bug. However with her actions she did not only stepped down, but also stopped others to work on it since she simple "cancelled" this bug out entirely. And this is not some little design point or some minor program we are talking about but either grub or the dist upgrade process that has a functionality which should not be that way to be able called "workable". Per what I see something is working if it requires no attention in the future and it just does what it should. This is per definition "working". Anything else is a bug. Now, if I install an Ubuntu system, say on a customers computer, and make that system a workable system (which sometimes might require some custom tuning due to no out of box support for some sort of hardware) then I would think that this is a workable system and the user, with no knowledge of command prompt, not knowing what grub was and if thinking that dpkg was some special ice cream should not be able to break a fully workable system just by clicking on a button of dist upgrade and entering her own password. And again, in some of the mentioned cases there was not even any manual config and handling of the system but was a clear automated install broken by a simple upgrade. I personally think that we as a community need to look at this issue and I am not talking about the bug itself (which needs to be fixed too) but the issue of one person's opinion could cancel out (and thus enrage) other people of the community with living an issue hanging in the air with no apparent way of solving the different opinions in any way shape or form. It should not be that who has a higher authority that is right no matter how wrong she is. Is there anyone at canonical that can take a look at this? Seems a correction of this particular programmer needed on dealing with community raised bugs specially because she won't be able to work like this with the rest of the guys if she does not let them propose solutions and fixes but trying to silence them. With Kind Regards, Gabor Toth Phone: +45-2163-4983 Skype: gabor.me Copenhagen, Denmark On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:42 AM, Scott Kitterman <ubu...@kitterman.com>wrote: > > -- > Ubuntu-quality mailing list > Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com > Modify settings or unsubscribe at: > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality > -- Ubuntu-quality mailing list Ubuntu-quality@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quality