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From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:46:35 -0000
emmanuel musaazi,
You display serious inferiority complex! wake up Uganda is bigger than one man. Take care you might end up in a mental hospital.
Toro
----- Original Message ----- From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> I can see Mulindwa that you have realized your mistake, guilty conscence
is
> eating at you. Mulindwa you don't need to feel guilty about what you said
> after all it is a "belief" you are intitled to. On the issue of me saying
> you hate Baganda...well if what i responded to is not anti-Buganda
rhetoric
> then....but well i guess it is your "belief" that you were complementing
> Baganda. Anyway my "belief" is that what you put up showed a hatred for
> Baganda, that is my "belief". You have your "belief" i have mine end of
> story.
>
> Mulindwa you left something out however....what about OBOTE'S EDUCATIONAL
> BACKGROUND. Since you are so kin to expose late President Yusuf Lule's
> ignorance (remember you said he was not a professor and bla bla bal..),
can
> you tell us about Obote's educational background....afterall you don't
miss
> a chance to call him "Dr"....is it true for example that he was a high
> school drop out, who never had a university education? What about his
> drinking?....you claim to be neutral so here is your chance to prove it.
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:00 -0500
> >
> >Mwaami Musaazi
> >
> >You see I respond to you when ever you make sense, but this posting I see
> >nothing to respond to. I am sorry.
> >Except you have made a remark that I feel I must clear out, and I quote
> >"I'm
> >asking since you had the indignity of insulting a dead man." Now I delude
> >my
> >self that you are referring to my calling our past president a drunkard.
> >Now why did you think that I mentioned that for I hate Baganda? May be I
> >have a thing on Moslems, for he was a Moslem. My be I have a thing on
> >Moslems who turn Christians for they want to be enrolled in the then
> >prestigious Buddo, which would not at a time take a Moslem, for he did.
Why
> >were you only concerned for I raised the issue for he was "a Muganda"?
> >
> >And lastly Mwaami Musaazi, let us put some sense into this discussion, if
> >my
> >calling "Professor" Lule a drunkard who dies of Alcohol poison in his
body,
> >is not a true fact, please by all means state so. And if you do not know,
> >do
> >the civilized thing and shut the hell up. For it must bother any body who
> >sees that you are concerned by a comment done against a past president,
and
> >you can only cover it with "You hate Baganda" Mwaami Musaazi be sensible
> >for once, what did Lule die from? Feel us in.
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >
> >
> > > My gosh Mulindwa, your hatred for Buganda is astonishing...anyway,
> > > personally i'm ok with that, you are entiltled as you have said to
your
> > > "beliefs" however you should also know that what you said cuts both
> >ways.
> >In
> > > other wards there is no need for an inquiry into Luwero 'cos it is a
> > > "belief" by... i don't know which tribe now...you know these tribal
> >jargons
> > > more than i, besides if there was an inquiry, i don't think the UPC
will
> > > prevail but then that is i guess a "belief". Secondly the premise to
my
> > > arguments is one of perception. If you noticed all the postings i put
up
> >are
> > > opinions of Ugandans and the international community, I can't say UPC
> >should
> > > be taken to court because they are stupid enough to have a dictator
with
> > > alleged criminal links as head, that is UPC's problem. Already you can
> >see
> > > that the party is begining to crumble, as the rank and file begin to
> >feel
> > > the impact of Obote's baggage not only to the party's image but to
there
> >own
> > > political futures.
> > >
> > > This is my argument, i believe that the UPC can redeem itself, but it
> >has
> >to
> > > be ready to break away from it's past evils, Mulindwa your argument
(and
> > > Matek's) is akin to an Ostrich burying it's head in a hole while
leaving
> >the
> > > rest of it's body exposed and feeling that it is hidden (nobody can
see
> >it).
> > > Trust me it doesn't work that way, as you will soon find out. Obote
and
> >you
> > > his supporters will have to defend that stinky record, not in Canada
or
> > > America but in Uganda and ultimately in Buganda and i can hadly wait
to
> >see
> > > Mulindwa's "Buganda 101" political theory work for him. Finaly...ALL
> > > POLITICS IS LOCAL that is international politics 000.....One last
thing
> >just
> > > out of curiosity is Obote not an alcholic himself and can you please,
> > > Mulindwa give us Obote's EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, FROM FIRST DEGREE
> >UP
> > > (IF HE HAS A DEGREE). I'm asking since you had the indignity of
> >insulting
> >a
> > > dead man.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:11 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Matek
> > > >
> > > >I think I need to come in here for you are wrong.
> > > >
> > > >We do not need to take UPC to court, the fact is that UPC has a lot
of
> > > >skeletons, that is enough. And we must accept it for it is a belief.
> >How
> > > >dare you ask NRM to take UPC to court? Who told you that a belief can
> >be
> > > >challenged in a court of law? And that standing order has been on
> >Uganda
> > > >books for a very long time, for it has covered several statements,
that
> >I
> > > >will list for you to prove how it has worked very successfully.
> > > >1) The elections that brought UPC 2 to power was rigged
> > > >2) Obote poisoned Muteesa through a Langi (Oops Muganda) girl
> > > >3) The people in Luwero were killed by UNLA
> > > >4) Museveni did not kill any body in Luwero
> > > >5) UPC is anti Buganda
> > > >6) Obote hates Baganda
> > > >7) Obote said that a good Muganda is a dead one
> > > >8) UPC ended political partys in Uganda
> > > >9) President Lule was a Professor
> > > >10) Did you see the skulls in Luwero? All those people were killed by
> >UNLA.
> > > >(And never allow an inquirely for we know it already.
> > > >11) Ssabasajja does not have a Rwandese son and that son can not lead
> > > >Buganda if Ssabasaja moves on.
> > > >12 Do you remember president Y. Lule? No he was not an alcoholic and
he
> >did
> > > >not die of alcohol poisoning.
> > > >
> > > >Do I need to go on?
> > > >
> > > >So we do not need courts to solve a belief. Well come to Buganda
> >Politics
> > > >101.
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/3/2003 9:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not only that Mr. Nyange, it is also a matter between all
Ugandans
> >and
> > > >UPU.
> > > > UPC has a lot of skelletons in her cupboard and is yet to face
up
> >with
> > > >her
> > > > ugly past which includes taking responsibility for her past
ills,
> > > >after
> > > > which a new chapter can be opened, for her future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Absolute nonsense rubbish .. Total hullabaloo... to put it mildly.
> >If,
> > > >as you say, the UPC has a lot of "skeletons" in her cupboard, then
the
> >most
> > > >civilized move on your part (I mean the movement) would be to charge
> >the
> > > >UPC for such crimes before the Courts in Uganda. Right
> >netters......what
> >is
> > > >our friend waiting for?...
> > > >
> > > > Let the courts expose the said "skeleton" for the people of
Uganda
> >to
> > > >see . Of course you do realize that such move would require that you
> >must
> > > >have impeccable evidence which you can present to the judges in the
> >court
> > > >of law.
> > > >
> > > > On the contrary the UPC is ready to take all you people (NRM goons
> > > >rather..) to courts and provide proof that the movement and YOweri
> >Museveni
> > > >has carried out numerous atrocities against Ugandans in Luwero and
now
> >in
> > > >Northern and Eastern Uganda.
> > > >
> > > > Matek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > > >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:51:04 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The writer should realise that this matter is between Buganda
> >and
> > > >UPC.
> > > > >Its not Acholi Vs Buganda. UPC was ruling and its armed wing\
> >army
> > > >was UNLA
> > > > >whose majority happened to be Acholi. It was the policy of UPC
to
> > > >carry out
> > > > >the massacre described in the article, not Acholi's policy. It
> >was
> > > >the
> > > > >policy of the UPC piliticians their armed wing, not the
ordinary
> > > >Acholis.
> > > > >As I've always said, the dialog should be between Baganda
leaders
> >and
> > > >UPC.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ssenyange
> > > > >-------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >>Subject: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > > >>Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:27:07 -0500
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >>...................................................... Despite
> >all
> > > >of
> > > > >>these mitigating factors, many Ugandans hold mainly the Acholi
> > > >responsible
> > > > >>for the Luwero atrocities because of the high proportion of
> >Acholis
> > > >in the
> > > > >>armed forces at that time. While almost all Acholis deny such
> > > > >>responsibility, a few Acholi elders nonetheless assert that
the
> >time
> > > >has
> > > > >>come for a dialogue with Baganda leaders, with the aim of
> > > >reconciling what
> > > > >>had occurred there. In a way which way difficult to pinpoint,
> >they
> > > >believe
> > > > >>such a dialogue might help create conditions to end the
current
> >war
> > > >in
> > > > >>Acholi, even though the present conflict does not appear to
> >directly
> > > > >>involve the Baganda people. A few Acholi were said to believe
> >that
> > > >the
> > > > >>spirits of some Luwero victims â?" for example, of a pregnant
> > > >Baganda woman
> > > > >>who was killed and mutilated in a particularly unspeakable way
> >â?"
> > > >are
> > > > >>exacting revenge by causing or prolonging the current Acholi
> >war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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