Mwaami Musaazi
"This is why i have been saying that unless there is a clear change in the
direction of UPC politics, puting the UPC back into power will be dejavu for
Uganda."
You see this is why I think that you can be very instrumental in putting
changes in Uganda, you see UPC has been claiming that they want to hold
party elections but they can not do them for NRM does not allow them to. Yes
I know this hurts very many people especially in Buganda for UPC was created
and born in Buganda. In fact that is why you see that tribalistic as you
are, Northerners hater as you are, you still deep down have a feeling with
UPC. Your problem today is the direction of the party, and you fel that as
soon as there is a change in direction your problem will be solved.
Musaazi you are not the only UPC sympathiser who feels this way, and the
only way you can change this situation is by compelling the movement to open
up parties so that they can function as they are supposed to.
By This email, I am forwarding your mail to Chris Opoka who heads UPC in
this city, for he can give you more info about how you can pass that
problem. For he is better positioned than me who is neither a UPC member or
a supporter. And with that ignorance it helps me not to run from my own
shadow that UPC is coming back to power. let me hope that your communication
with COO will not only solve your problem with he party but you will receive
a UPC card too.
God Baganda have UPC in their blood veins, a man is crying why can't we make
a change of direction? Musaazi I hear you, loud and clear.
Em
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> Mr. Dada, every Ugandan should be free to live wherever they want in
Uganda.
> I as a Muganda would not be happy if only Baganda lived in Buganda. I like
> it when you for example you go to Makerere and see people from all parts
of
> Uganda. I have friends from the north of Uganda and they are among my most
> trusted companions (and some of them are richer than me). My arguments
have
> nothing to do with tribe and ethnicity as "Mulindwa", Matek and others on
> this forum would want you to believe, my argument is about principle. Mr.
> Dada, people in the north are dying in horendous ways (see my postings) at
> the hands of a mad man (Kony). For the sake of the innocent people losing
> their lives in the north and as Ugandans, it is only right to put politics
> aside and concentrate on stoping Kony once and for all. That is all i'm
> saying. It is infact this lack of principle in politics (as exhibited by
the
> likes of Matek and Mulindwa) that Uganda has gotten to where it is. This
is
> why i have been saying that the UPC, if it is to remain a viable political
> party in Uganda needs a change of outlook and that should start from the
> top.
>
> The politics of knocking Ugandans heads together or creating hatred, caos
> and mayhem so as to achieve political objectives must be stopped. You see
> Mr. Dada, on this forum, we are fighting with words, but back home as you
> can see in the north, lives are lost.
>
> This is why i have been saying that unless there is a clear change in the
> direction of UPC politics, puting the UPC back into power will be dejavu
for
> Uganda. as i have been saying you only have to read the postings of
> "Mulindwa", Matek and there like, to appreciate what i am saying and on
the
> ground in Uganda some wise people in UPC are already breaking ranks and
> getting out because they see that the leadership in the party is steering
> the party the wrong way. Matek, "Mulindwa" and some on this forum belong
to
> the old guard, they are basically stuck in the 60's and 70's, along with
> their leader. I only pray that wiser heads will prevail in the party.
> Cheers.
>
>
> >From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:46:16 +0000
> >
> >Musaazi - The hatred that "Mulindwa" (that is his nickname on account of
> >the long time he and his parents spent in Bombo - his real name probably
> >starts with "O", or "A") has never ceased to amaze me. I, however, fail
to
> >understand why he even still uses that nickname, rather than reverting
back
> >to his luo name. Some of us appreciate the hospitality offered to us by
> >Buganda and I hate to see extremists the likes of "Mulindwa" malign
Buganda
> >and Baganda whenever an opportunity arises. Just goes to show the mind of
> >the man and his intent. However much you hate someone, you sometimes
> >reserve a kind word rightly due to them - not for "Mulindwa". With that
> >attitude, he is lucky to be safely tucked away in Canada as a fugitive
from
> >justice in Buganda for his reported participation in UPC atrocities.
Uganda
> >simply has no kinds words these days for extremists the likes of
"Mulindwa"
> >and so, just like his hero Obote, the man is most likely to spend all his
> >days in Canada. I believe he is stung by that prospect thats why he is a
> >bitter old man. My advice to you Musaazi is: dont waste your precious
time
> >with the punk - he is an unemployable fella, on social benefits and all
he
> >does is sit around on the computer and peddle his Buganda hatred with
> >nothing else to do. He is a just social misfit as anyone in Toronto who
> >knows him will tell intimate. You Musaazi, being a learned guy, are too
> >cheap for such outright unmitigated nosense.
> >Dada
> >
> >>From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >>Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:46:35 -0000
> >>
> >>emmanuel musaazi,
> >>
> >>You display serious inferiority complex! wake up Uganda is bigger than
one
> >>man. Take care you might end up in a mental hospital.
> >>
> >>
> >>Toro
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:16 AM
> >>Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >>
> >>
> >> > I can see Mulindwa that you have realized your mistake, guilty
> >>conscence
> >>is
> >> > eating at you. Mulindwa you don't need to feel guilty about what you
> >>said
> >> > after all it is a "belief" you are intitled to. On the issue of me
> >>saying
> >> > you hate Baganda...well if what i responded to is not anti-Buganda
> >>rhetoric
> >> > then....but well i guess it is your "belief" that you were
> >>complementing
> >> > Baganda. Anyway my "belief" is that what you put up showed a hatred
for
> >> > Baganda, that is my "belief". You have your "belief" i have mine end
of
> >> > story.
> >> >
> >> > Mulindwa you left something out however....what about OBOTE'S
> >>EDUCATIONAL
> >> > BACKGROUND. Since you are so kin to expose late President Yusuf
Lule's
> >> > ignorance (remember you said he was not a professor and bla bla
bal..),
> >>can
> >> > you tell us about Obote's educational background....afterall you
don't
> >>miss
> >> > a chance to call him "Dr"....is it true for example that he was a
high
> >> > school drop out, who never had a university education? What about his
> >> > drinking?....you claim to be neutral so here is your chance to prove
> >>it.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:00 -0500
> >> > >
> >> > >Mwaami Musaazi
> >> > >
> >> > >You see I respond to you when ever you make sense, but this posting
I
> >>see
> >> > >nothing to respond to. I am sorry.
> >> > >Except you have made a remark that I feel I must clear out, and I
> >>quote
> >> > >"I'm
> >> > >asking since you had the indignity of insulting a dead man." Now I
> >>delude
> >> > >my
> >> > >self that you are referring to my calling our past president a
> >>drunkard.
> >> > >Now why did you think that I mentioned that for I hate Baganda? May
be
> >>I
> >> > >have a thing on Moslems, for he was a Moslem. My be I have a thing
on
> >> > >Moslems who turn Christians for they want to be enrolled in the then
> >> > >prestigious Buddo, which would not at a time take a Moslem, for he
> >>did.
> >>Why
> >> > >were you only concerned for I raised the issue for he was "a
Muganda"?
> >> > >
> >> > >And lastly Mwaami Musaazi, let us put some sense into this
discussion,
> >>if
> >> > >my
> >> > >calling "Professor" Lule a drunkard who dies of Alcohol poison in
his
> >>body,
> >> > >is not a true fact, please by all means state so. And if you do not
> >>know,
> >> > >do
> >> > >the civilized thing and shut the hell up. For it must bother any
body
> >>who
> >> > >sees that you are concerned by a comment done against a past
> >>president,
> >>and
> >> > >you can only cover it with "You hate Baganda" Mwaami Musaazi be
> >>sensible
> >> > >for once, what did Lule die from? Feel us in.
> >> > >
> >> > >Em
> >> > >
> >> > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >> > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >> > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >----- Original Message -----
> >> > >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:01 AM
> >> > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > My gosh Mulindwa, your hatred for Buganda is
astonishing...anyway,
> >> > > > personally i'm ok with that, you are entiltled as you have said
to
> >>your
> >> > > > "beliefs" however you should also know that what you said cuts
both
> >> > >ways.
> >> > >In
> >> > > > other wards there is no need for an inquiry into Luwero 'cos it
is
> >>a
> >> > > > "belief" by... i don't know which tribe now...you know these
tribal
> >> > >jargons
> >> > > > more than i, besides if there was an inquiry, i don't think the
UPC
> >>will
> >> > > > prevail but then that is i guess a "belief". Secondly the premise
> >>to
> >>my
> >> > > > arguments is one of perception. If you noticed all the postings i
> >>put
> >>up
> >> > >are
> >> > > > opinions of Ugandans and the international community, I can't say
> >>UPC
> >> > >should
> >> > > > be taken to court because they are stupid enough to have a
dictator
> >>with
> >> > > > alleged criminal links as head, that is UPC's problem. Already
you
> >>can
> >> > >see
> >> > > > that the party is begining to crumble, as the rank and file begin
> >>to
> >> > >feel
> >> > > > the impact of Obote's baggage not only to the party's image but
to
> >>there
> >> > >own
> >> > > > political futures.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This is my argument, i believe that the UPC can redeem itself,
but
> >>it
> >> > >has
> >> > >to
> >> > > > be ready to break away from it's past evils, Mulindwa your
argument
> >>(and
> >> > > > Matek's) is akin to an Ostrich burying it's head in a hole while
> >>leaving
> >> > >the
> >> > > > rest of it's body exposed and feeling that it is hidden (nobody
can
> >>see
> >> > >it).
> >> > > > Trust me it doesn't work that way, as you will soon find out.
Obote
> >>and
> >> > >you
> >> > > > his supporters will have to defend that stinky record, not in
> >>Canada
> >>or
> >> > > > America but in Uganda and ultimately in Buganda and i can hadly
> >>wait
> >>to
> >> > >see
> >> > > > Mulindwa's "Buganda 101" political theory work for him.
> >>Finaly...ALL
> >> > > > POLITICS IS LOCAL that is international politics 000.....One last
> >>thing
> >> > >just
> >> > > > out of curiosity is Obote not an alcholic himself and can you
> >>please,
> >> > > > Mulindwa give us Obote's EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, FROM FIRST
> >>DEGREE
> >> > >UP
> >> > > > (IF HE HAS A DEGREE). I'm asking since you had the indignity of
> >> > >insulting
> >> > >a
> >> > > > dead man.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > > > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:11 -0500
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Matek
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >I think I need to come in here for you are wrong.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >We do not need to take UPC to court, the fact is that UPC has a
> >>lot
> >>of
> >> > > > >skeletons, that is enough. And we must accept it for it is a
> >>belief.
> >> > >How
> >> > > > >dare you ask NRM to take UPC to court? Who told you that a
belief
> >>can
> >> > >be
> >> > > > >challenged in a court of law? And that standing order has been
on
> >> > >Uganda
> >> > > > >books for a very long time, for it has covered several
statements,
> >>that
> >> > >I
> >> > > > >will list for you to prove how it has worked very successfully.
> >> > > > >1) The elections that brought UPC 2 to power was rigged
> >> > > > >2) Obote poisoned Muteesa through a Langi (Oops Muganda) girl
> >> > > > >3) The people in Luwero were killed by UNLA
> >> > > > >4) Museveni did not kill any body in Luwero
> >> > > > >5) UPC is anti Buganda
> >> > > > >6) Obote hates Baganda
> >> > > > >7) Obote said that a good Muganda is a dead one
> >> > > > >8) UPC ended political partys in Uganda
> >> > > > >9) President Lule was a Professor
> >> > > > >10) Did you see the skulls in Luwero? All those people were
killed
> >>by
> >> > >UNLA.
> >> > > > >(And never allow an inquirely for we know it already.
> >> > > > >11) Ssabasajja does not have a Rwandese son and that son can not
> >>lead
> >> > > > >Buganda if Ssabasaja moves on.
> >> > > > >12 Do you remember president Y. Lule? No he was not an alcoholic
> >>and
> >>he
> >> > >did
> >> > > > >not die of alcohol poisoning.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Do I need to go on?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >So we do not need courts to solve a belief. Well come to Buganda
> >> > >Politics
> >> > > > >101.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Em
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >> > > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> > > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >> > > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:45 PM
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > In a message dated 11/3/2003 9:16:16 PM Eastern Standard
Time,
> >> > > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Not only that Mr. Nyange, it is also a matter between all
> >>Ugandans
> >> > >and
> >> > > > >UPU.
> >> > > > > UPC has a lot of skelletons in her cupboard and is yet to
> >>face
> >>up
> >> > >with
> >> > > > >her
> >> > > > > ugly past which includes taking responsibility for her past
> >>ills,
> >> > > > >after
> >> > > > > which a new chapter can be opened, for her future.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Absolute nonsense rubbish .. Total hullabaloo... to put it
> >>mildly.
> >> > >If,
> >> > > > >as you say, the UPC has a lot of "skeletons" in her cupboard,
then
> >>the
> >> > >most
> >> > > > >civilized move on your part (I mean the movement) would be to
> >>charge
> >> > >the
> >> > > > >UPC for such crimes before the Courts in Uganda. Right
> >> > >netters......what
> >> > >is
> >> > > > >our friend waiting for?...
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Let the courts expose the said "skeleton" for the people of
> >>Uganda
> >> > >to
> >> > > > >see . Of course you do realize that such move would require that
> >>you
> >> > >must
> >> > > > >have impeccable evidence which you can present to the judges in
> >>the
> >> > >court
> >> > > > >of law.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On the contrary the UPC is ready to take all you people (NRM
> >>goons
> >> > > > >rather..) to courts and provide proof that the movement and
YOweri
> >> > >Museveni
> >> > > > >has carried out numerous atrocities against Ugandans in Luwero
and
> >>now
> >> > >in
> >> > > > >Northern and Eastern Uganda.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Matek
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > > > > >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:51:04 -0500
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The writer should realise that this matter is between
> >>Buganda
> >> > >and
> >> > > > >UPC.
> >> > > > > >Its not Acholi Vs Buganda. UPC was ruling and its armed
> >>wing\
> >> > >army
> >> > > > >was UNLA
> >> > > > > >whose majority happened to be Acholi. It was the policy of
> >>UPC
> >>to
> >> > > > >carry out
> >> > > > > >the massacre described in the article, not Acholi's
policy.
> >>It
> >> > >was
> >> > > > >the
> >> > > > > >policy of the UPC piliticians their armed wing, not the
> >>ordinary
> >> > > > >Acholis.
> >> > > > > >As I've always said, the dialog should be between Baganda
> >>leaders
> >> > >and
> >> > > > >UPC.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >Ssenyange
> >> > > > > >-------------------------------------------------
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > > > > >>Subject: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >> > > > > >>Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:27:07 -0500
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >>......................................................
> >>Despite
> >> > >all
> >> > > > >of
> >> > > > > >>these mitigating factors, many Ugandans hold mainly the
> >>Acholi
> >> > > > >responsible
> >> > > > > >>for the Luwero atrocities because of the high proportion
of
> >> > >Acholis
> >> > > > >in the
> >> > > > > >>armed forces at that time. While almost all Acholis deny
> >>such
> >> > > > > >>responsibility, a few Acholi elders nonetheless assert
that
> >>the
> >> > >time
> >> > > > >has
> >> > > > > >>come for a dialogue with Baganda leaders, with the aim of
> >> > > > >reconciling what
> >> > > > > >>had occurred there. In a way which way difficult to
> >>pinpoint,
> >> > >they
> >> > > > >believe
> >> > > > > >>such a dialogue might help create conditions to end the
> >>current
> >> > >war
> >> > > > >in
> >> > > > > >>Acholi, even though the present conflict does not appear
to
> >> > >directly
> >> > > > > >>involve the Baganda people. A few Acholi were said to
> >>believe
> >> > >that
> >> > > > >the
> >> > > > > >>spirits of some Luwero victims â?" for example, of a
> >>pregnant
> >> > > > >Baganda woman
> >> > > > > >>who was killed and mutilated in a particularly
unspeakable
> >>way
> >> > >â?"
> >> > > > >are
> >> > > > > >>exacting revenge by causing or prolonging the current
> >>Acholi
> >> > >war.
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
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