The politics of knocking Ugandans heads together or creating hatred, caos and mayhem so as to achieve political objectives must be stopped. You see Mr. Dada, on this forum, we are fighting with words, but back home as you can see in the north, lives are lost.
This is why i have been saying that unless there is a clear change in the direction of UPC politics, puting the UPC back into power will be dejavu for Uganda. as i have been saying you only have to read the postings of "Mulindwa", Matek and there like, to appreciate what i am saying and on the ground in Uganda some wise people in UPC are already breaking ranks and getting out because they see that the leadership in the party is steering the party the wrong way. Matek, "Mulindwa" and some on this forum belong to the old guard, they are basically stuck in the 60's and 70's, along with their leader. I only pray that wiser heads will prevail in the party. Cheers.
From: "Adam Dada" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 09:46:16 +0000
Musaazi - The hatred that "Mulindwa" (that is his nickname on account of the long time he and his parents spent in Bombo - his real name probably starts with "O", or "A") has never ceased to amaze me. I, however, fail to understand why he even still uses that nickname, rather than reverting back to his luo name. Some of us appreciate the hospitality offered to us by Buganda and I hate to see extremists the likes of "Mulindwa" malign Buganda and Baganda whenever an opportunity arises. Just goes to show the mind of the man and his intent. However much you hate someone, you sometimes reserve a kind word rightly due to them - not for "Mulindwa". With that attitude, he is lucky to be safely tucked away in Canada as a fugitive from justice in Buganda for his reported participation in UPC atrocities. Uganda simply has no kinds words these days for extremists the likes of "Mulindwa" and so, just like his hero Obote, the man is most likely to spend all his days in Canada. I believe he is stung by that prospect thats why he is a bitter old man. My advice to you Musaazi is: dont waste your precious time with the punk - he is an unemployable fella, on social benefits and all he does is sit around on the computer and peddle his Buganda hatred with nothing else to do. He is a just social misfit as anyone in Toronto who knows him will tell intimate. You Musaazi, being a learned guy, are too cheap for such outright unmitigated nosense.
Dada
From: "Lisa Toro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 07:46:35 -0000
emmanuel musaazi,
You display serious inferiority complex! wake up Uganda is bigger than one man. Take care you might end up in a mental hospital.
Toro
----- Original Message ----- From: emmanuel musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:16 AM Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> I can see Mulindwa that you have realized your mistake, guilty conscence
is
> eating at you. Mulindwa you don't need to feel guilty about what you said
> after all it is a "belief" you are intitled to. On the issue of me saying
> you hate Baganda...well if what i responded to is not anti-Buganda
rhetoric
> then....but well i guess it is your "belief" that you were complementing
> Baganda. Anyway my "belief" is that what you put up showed a hatred for
> Baganda, that is my "belief". You have your "belief" i have mine end of
> story.
>
> Mulindwa you left something out however....what about OBOTE'S EDUCATIONAL
> BACKGROUND. Since you are so kin to expose late President Yusuf Lule's
> ignorance (remember you said he was not a professor and bla bla bal..),
can
> you tell us about Obote's educational background....afterall you don't
miss
> a chance to call him "Dr"....is it true for example that he was a high
> school drop out, who never had a university education? What about his
> drinking?....you claim to be neutral so here is your chance to prove it.
>
>
> >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:00 -0500
> >
> >Mwaami Musaazi
> >
> >You see I respond to you when ever you make sense, but this posting I see
> >nothing to respond to. I am sorry.
> >Except you have made a remark that I feel I must clear out, and I quote
> >"I'm
> >asking since you had the indignity of insulting a dead man." Now I delude
> >my
> >self that you are referring to my calling our past president a drunkard.
> >Now why did you think that I mentioned that for I hate Baganda? May be I
> >have a thing on Moslems, for he was a Moslem. My be I have a thing on
> >Moslems who turn Christians for they want to be enrolled in the then
> >prestigious Buddo, which would not at a time take a Moslem, for he did.
Why
> >were you only concerned for I raised the issue for he was "a Muganda"?
> >
> >And lastly Mwaami Musaazi, let us put some sense into this discussion, if
> >my
> >calling "Professor" Lule a drunkard who dies of Alcohol poison in his
body,
> >is not a true fact, please by all means state so. And if you do not know,
> >do
> >the civilized thing and shut the hell up. For it must bother any body who
> >sees that you are concerned by a comment done against a past president,
and
> >you can only cover it with "You hate Baganda" Mwaami Musaazi be sensible
> >for once, what did Lule die from? Feel us in.
> >
> >Em
> >
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:01 AM
> >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> >
> >
> > > My gosh Mulindwa, your hatred for Buganda is astonishing...anyway,
> > > personally i'm ok with that, you are entiltled as you have said to
your
> > > "beliefs" however you should also know that what you said cuts both
> >ways.
> >In
> > > other wards there is no need for an inquiry into Luwero 'cos it is a
> > > "belief" by... i don't know which tribe now...you know these tribal
> >jargons
> > > more than i, besides if there was an inquiry, i don't think the UPC
will
> > > prevail but then that is i guess a "belief". Secondly the premise to
my
> > > arguments is one of perception. If you noticed all the postings i put
up
> >are
> > > opinions of Ugandans and the international community, I can't say UPC
> >should
> > > be taken to court because they are stupid enough to have a dictator
with
> > > alleged criminal links as head, that is UPC's problem. Already you can
> >see
> > > that the party is begining to crumble, as the rank and file begin to
> >feel
> > > the impact of Obote's baggage not only to the party's image but to
there
> >own
> > > political futures.
> > >
> > > This is my argument, i believe that the UPC can redeem itself, but it
> >has
> >to
> > > be ready to break away from it's past evils, Mulindwa your argument
(and
> > > Matek's) is akin to an Ostrich burying it's head in a hole while
leaving
> >the
> > > rest of it's body exposed and feeling that it is hidden (nobody can
see
> >it).
> > > Trust me it doesn't work that way, as you will soon find out. Obote
and
> >you
> > > his supporters will have to defend that stinky record, not in Canada
or
> > > America but in Uganda and ultimately in Buganda and i can hadly wait
to
> >see
> > > Mulindwa's "Buganda 101" political theory work for him. Finaly...ALL
> > > POLITICS IS LOCAL that is international politics 000.....One last
thing
> >just
> > > out of curiosity is Obote not an alcholic himself and can you please,
> > > Mulindwa give us Obote's EDUCATIONAL QUALIFICATIONS, FROM FIRST DEGREE
> >UP
> > > (IF HE HAS A DEGREE). I'm asking since you had the indignity of
> >insulting
> >a
> > > dead man.
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >CC: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > >Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:15:11 -0500
> > > >
> > > >Matek
> > > >
> > > >I think I need to come in here for you are wrong.
> > > >
> > > >We do not need to take UPC to court, the fact is that UPC has a lot
of
> > > >skeletons, that is enough. And we must accept it for it is a belief.
> >How
> > > >dare you ask NRM to take UPC to court? Who told you that a belief can
> >be
> > > >challenged in a court of law? And that standing order has been on
> >Uganda
> > > >books for a very long time, for it has covered several statements,
that
> >I
> > > >will list for you to prove how it has worked very successfully.
> > > >1) The elections that brought UPC 2 to power was rigged
> > > >2) Obote poisoned Muteesa through a Langi (Oops Muganda) girl
> > > >3) The people in Luwero were killed by UNLA
> > > >4) Museveni did not kill any body in Luwero
> > > >5) UPC is anti Buganda
> > > >6) Obote hates Baganda
> > > >7) Obote said that a good Muganda is a dead one
> > > >8) UPC ended political partys in Uganda
> > > >9) President Lule was a Professor
> > > >10) Did you see the skulls in Luwero? All those people were killed by
> >UNLA.
> > > >(And never allow an inquirely for we know it already.
> > > >11) Ssabasajja does not have a Rwandese son and that son can not lead
> > > >Buganda if Ssabasaja moves on.
> > > >12 Do you remember president Y. Lule? No he was not an alcoholic and
he
> >did
> > > >not die of alcohol poisoning.
> > > >
> > > >Do I need to go on?
> > > >
> > > >So we do not need courts to solve a belief. Well come to Buganda
> >Politics
> > > >101.
> > > >
> > > >Em
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> > > >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > > > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> > > >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 03, 2003 9:45 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > In a message dated 11/3/2003 9:16:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> > > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not only that Mr. Nyange, it is also a matter between all
Ugandans
> >and
> > > >UPU.
> > > > UPC has a lot of skelletons in her cupboard and is yet to face
up
> >with
> > > >her
> > > > ugly past which includes taking responsibility for her past
ills,
> > > >after
> > > > which a new chapter can be opened, for her future.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Absolute nonsense rubbish .. Total hullabaloo... to put it mildly.
> >If,
> > > >as you say, the UPC has a lot of "skeletons" in her cupboard, then
the
> >most
> > > >civilized move on your part (I mean the movement) would be to charge
> >the
> > > >UPC for such crimes before the Courts in Uganda. Right
> >netters......what
> >is
> > > >our friend waiting for?...
> > > >
> > > > Let the courts expose the said "skeleton" for the people of
Uganda
> >to
> > > >see . Of course you do realize that such move would require that you
> >must
> > > >have impeccable evidence which you can present to the judges in the
> >court
> > > >of law.
> > > >
> > > > On the contrary the UPC is ready to take all you people (NRM goons
> > > >rather..) to courts and provide proof that the movement and YOweri
> >Museveni
> > > >has carried out numerous atrocities against Ugandans in Luwero and
now
> >in
> > > >Northern and Eastern Uganda.
> > > >
> > > > Matek
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >From: "ssenya nyange" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > > >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 17:51:04 -0500
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The writer should realise that this matter is between Buganda
> >and
> > > >UPC.
> > > > >Its not Acholi Vs Buganda. UPC was ruling and its armed wing\
> >army
> > > >was UNLA
> > > > >whose majority happened to be Acholi. It was the policy of UPC
to
> > > >carry out
> > > > >the massacre described in the article, not Acholi's policy. It
> >was
> > > >the
> > > > >policy of the UPC piliticians their armed wing, not the
ordinary
> > > >Acholis.
> > > > >As I've always said, the dialog should be between Baganda
leaders
> >and
> > > >UPC.
> > > > >
> > > > >Ssenyange
> > > > >-------------------------------------------------
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >>From: "emmanuel musaazi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > >>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > >>Subject: ugnet_: Obote2 and Luwero
> > > > >>Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2003 16:27:07 -0500
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >>...................................................... Despite
> >all
> > > >of
> > > > >>these mitigating factors, many Ugandans hold mainly the Acholi
> > > >responsible
> > > > >>for the Luwero atrocities because of the high proportion of
> >Acholis
> > > >in the
> > > > >>armed forces at that time. While almost all Acholis deny such
> > > > >>responsibility, a few Acholi elders nonetheless assert that
the
> >time
> > > >has
> > > > >>come for a dialogue with Baganda leaders, with the aim of
> > > >reconciling what
> > > > >>had occurred there. In a way which way difficult to pinpoint,
> >they
> > > >believe
> > > > >>such a dialogue might help create conditions to end the
current
> >war
> > > >in
> > > > >>Acholi, even though the present conflict does not appear to
> >directly
> > > > >>involve the Baganda people. A few Acholi were said to believe
> >that
> > > >the
> > > > >>spirits of some Luwero victims â?" for example, of a pregnant
> > > >Baganda woman
> > > > >>who was killed and mutilated in a particularly unspeakable way
> >â?"
> > > >are
> > > > >>exacting revenge by causing or prolonging the current Acholi
> >war.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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