On 11/11/18 4:16 PM, Asmus Freytag via Unicode wrote:
On 11/11/2018 12:32 PM, Hans Åberg via Unicode wrote:
Wir sind uns dessen bewusst, dass von Seite der Gegenpartei weder Reue(?), noch
Einsicht zu erwarten ist und dass sie die Konsequenzen dieser rabbinischen
Gutachten von sich abschüttelen werden mit der Motivierung, dass:
vir zind auns dessen bevaust dass fon zeyte der ge- gefarthey veder reye , nakh
eynzikht tsu ervarten izt aund dast zya dya kansekventsen dyezer rabbinishen
gutakhten fon zikh abshittelen verden mit der motivirung , dass :
This agrees rather well with Beth's retranslation.
Mapping "z" to "s", "f" to "v" and "v" to "w" would match the way
these pronunciations are spelled in German (with a few outliers like
"izt" for "ist", where the "s" isn't voiced in German). There's also a
clear convention of using "kh" for "ch" (as in English "loch" but also
for other pronunciation of the German "ch"). The one apparent mismatch
is "ge- gefarthey" for "Gegenpartei". Presumably what is
transliterated as "f" can stand for phonetic "p". "Parthey" might be
how Germans could have written "Partei" in earlier centuries (when
"th" was commonly used for "t" and "ey" alternated with "ei", as in my
last name). So, perhaps it's closer than it looks, superficially.
I think that really IS a "p"; elsewhere in the document they seem to be
quite careful to put a RAFE on top of the PEH when it means "f", and not
using a DAGESH to mark "p". There definitely does seem to be usage of
TET-HEH for "th"; in the Hebrew text at the beginning it talks about the
אורטה׳ community—took me a bit to work out that was an abbreviation for
"Orthodox".
From context, "Reue" is by far the best match for "Reye" and seems to
match a tendency elsewhere in the sample where the transliteration, if
pronounced as German, would result in a shifted quality for the vowels
(making them sound more Yiddish, for lack of a better description).
That word is hard to read in the original, hence the "?" in the
transliteration. It isn't clear if it's YOD YOD or YOD VAV and the VAV
is missing its body (the head looks different than it should if it were
a YOD). Which would match your "Reue" fairly well—except that they
generally use AYIN for "e", not "YOD".
"abschüttelen" - here the second "e" would not be part of Standard
German orthography. It's either an artifact of the transcription
system or possibly reflects that the writer is familiar with a
different spelling convention (to my eyes the spelling "abshittelen"
looks somehow more Yiddish, but I'm really not familiar enough with
that language).
The ü is, of course, not in the text in the original; it's just "i".
German ü wound up as "i" in Yiddish, in most cases.
~mark
