This is disturbing.
I have recently renewed my license and now regret it, particularly as I
only use LC for small personal or odd work tasks.
The other thing I find confusing is the entry about LC Classic..
Can I still buy LiveCode Classic?
You cannot buy LiveCode Classic on its own. You will receive a
complimentary license to LiveCode Classic with a purchase of Create,
while Create is still in beta.
.. I can no longer use LC10 but Create does have a classic mode. It's
not clear whether this is a stable version of classic or a "skin" for
the unstable Create.
Does this mean apps created in Classic Create also stop working if the
license is not renewed?
While initially wanting to support Create and waiting out it's
incredibly long incubation, I have only created pretty much a empty test
project in DP9 but now in both DP9 & DP10 that test app gives me the
following error and I have to force quit Create.
NoSuchKeyThe specified key does not
exist.stack/ele67bc3-663e-4dd1-84f1-b90cc51eb965/chat_cache.livecodeXHDAA2RFGQXRFZH4Uv
I'm glad I didn't invest time into more serious test app!
As a hobby programmer from the MC days this is very disappointing.
regards
alex
On 23/12/2025 12:50 am, harrison--- via use-livecode wrote:
Hi Curry and Riko,
This is really terrible! I’ve never seen a company
want to cut it’s own throat this way before!
Under databases, I didn’t see support
for PostgreSQL specifically listed either,
and that really concerns me.
Seeing it in print makes users want to bail as
quickly as possible! I sure hope the people
at LC seriously reconsider what they are
doing immediately and change course!
Just my 2 cents for the day.
Rick
P.S. Here’s the link for those who haven’t seen it:
https://livecode.com/faq
On Dec 22, 2025, at 4:13 AM, Riko Abadi via use-livecode
<[email protected]> wrote:
This means already-built apps are permanently dependent on ongoing license
renewal just to execute.
That is highly unusual for developer tools and represents significant
business, operational, and ethical risk.
Industry-standard practice is that licenses are required to build or
update, not for existing apps to keep running. Under the current terms,
LiveCode Create is not a viable option for serious, long-lived applications.
I hope LiveCode will reconsider this runtime licensing model.
On Mon, Dec 22, 2025 at 3:46 AM Curry Kenworthy via use-livecode <
[email protected]> wrote:
LC Built Apps held Hostage, Runtime execution rent - looked at FAQ
More perspective on a top concern -
Kill switch details; it's even worse than I remembered.
"Apps require active [LiveCode Create] licensing to run.
If your license lapses, your apps will no longer be licensed
and they will not continue to run."
Meet the LiveCode FAQ -
https://livecode.com/faq
Built Apps - not 'continue' to run?
This is unusual and high-risk for developer tools -
App execution is forever tied to ongoing LiveCode renewal.
Runtime execution rent, ongoing = fragile Toy Apps.
subject to renewal, whim, outage, billing, or glitch.
much more so than just using hosting or data.
App Runtime hostage reality -
Unethical for consulting/recommending;
Dangerous for business operations.
Careless for patients, charity, freeware.
would I ever build Apps with Create under these terms?
not a chance. glad I looked again.
but easy for LiveCode to fix if they choose;
LC recently requested my feedback to help them improve.
What’s normal/standard -
Dev tool licenses are required to build, compile, or deploy.
Lapsed licenses typically Disable updates, new builds, support ...
but Existing, already-built apps keep running.
That’s why they are 'built' apps!
huge step backward -
I will not follow that wayward direction;
my future plans include robust apps and clear ethics.
window is closing to fix LiveCode pricing/terms issues.
LiveCode Classic - '2027' end of life.
people have been retooling elsewhere.
so ... hope this requested advice improves LiveCode Create.
Happy Holy-days of Christ's Mass!
Best wishes,
Curry Kenworthy
"Dominate documents with WordLib and LC"
https://livecodeaddons.com/wordlib.html
(Still recuperating from illness - comments limited.)
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