Andrew: nicely put. Jeff W: I agree with your ordering.
Stack: I agree with the book change for inclusion, and I agree with the caveat about 'free as in free beer'. Todd/Ryan: regarding the book reference to CDH, I think the CDH reference being 'free as in beer' reference is an important differentiator, if it wasn't it would be a different story. Ted: re: "My only test for these would be something that helps hbase users", I agree with the intent, as long as the available license isn't only commercial. On 7/25/11 8:43 PM, "Andrew Purtell" <apurt...@apache.org> wrote: >I agree it's a fine line. As far as vendor specific pronouncements, may I >suggest a little goes a long way, quality over quantity. > >In my opinion it's never sufficient to say only "nonopen product Foo does >X" on an open source project's user list. Instead you need to first >explain how to do X with available FOSS tools. After that, mentioning >that Foo does it out of the box and is therefore easier than the >explained FOSS option is totally acceptable. > >Best regards, > > > - Andy > >Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein >(via Tom White) > > >----- Original Message ----- >> From: Todd Lipcon <t...@cloudera.com> >> To: user@hbase.apache.org >> Cc: >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 11:45 AM >> Subject: Re: Monitoring >> >> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:28 AM, Ted Dunning <tdunn...@maprtech.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I am very sympathetic here. Also, somewhat linguistically challenged >>>on >>> this point since there is a fine line to be walked. All suggestions >>>are >>> welcome. >>> >>> How should I answer this? The question was "how can I get alerts for >> my >>> hbase cluster"? >>> >>> One answer is definitely MapR. Is there a way to say that without >>>being a >>> excessively pluggy? >>> >>> Another answer that I want to underscore is "MapR supports Hbase. A >> lot." >>> >> >> The issue is that I might be then tempted to start arguing that Cloudera >> Enterprise supports HBase better than MapR. Then we devolve into an >>annoying >> vendor war which doesn't help anyone. >> >> Best to just set a policy and stick to it for public responses. I don't >>see >> anything wrong with your replying off-list to the requester with a sales >> pitch. This provides the information that might help the user without >> risking polluting the -user list with a lot of discussion of commercial >> products. >> >> -Todd >> >> >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Stack <st...@duboce.net> wrote: >>> >>> > On Mon, Jul 25, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Ted Dunning >> <tdunn...@maprtech.com> >>> > wrote: >>> > > Slightly off topic, but MapR runs Hbase very handily (several >> times >>> > faster, >>> > > in fact) and provides comprehensive monitoring and alerting out >> of the >>> > box. >>> > > >>> > >>> > Hey Ted: >>> > >>> > MapR is good stuff indeed but the above can be read as a raw plug >>>for >>> > a non-open-source/commercial product. >>> > >>> > I'd like to petition that you go easy with messages that could >>> > possibly be interpreted so. Other, not-such-close-in-friends of >>> > hbase, seeing 'commerical' messages up on our list might take it as >>> > license to dump their commercial messages for tech related, or not, >>> > into hbase mailing lists. A list riddled with commerical messages >>> > would likely sour many who are subscribed here. >>> > >>> > Thanks boss, >>> > St.Ack >>> > >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Todd Lipcon >> Software Engineer, Cloudera >>
