Thanks Paul!



On Tue, 2016-04-12 at 09:39 -0500, Paul Mandeltort wrote:
> John: overview of the entity engine is here:
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Entity+Engine+Guide 
> <https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Entity+Engine+Guide>
> 
> 
> > On Apr 11, 2016, at 1:24 PM, Skip <s...@thedevers.org> wrote:
> > 
> > John
> > 
> > Not really interested in getting into a flame war, but I think your 
> > observations are obviously uneducated.  I have been writing Java code for 
> > 20 years and I can assure you that I spend almost no time with any "tools" 
> > except a text editor and compiler.  If you live in the U.S., every banking 
> > transaction you make is processed by a program I (and a couple others) 
> > wrote in Java.  Most most run on a JVM (some run java natively).  A single 
> > reasonably fast machine is processing 40,000 of these transactions a second 
> > and they are non-trivial computations.
> > 
> > I moved from C to Java when I started the banking application and I 
> > initially had the same sour taste as you have.  I quickly became a true 
> > believer.  You will too if you if you spend any honest time with it.
> > 
> > Java is perhaps the best language to use for any large and serious project 
> > where speed is required.
> > 
> > Skip
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: John Spikowski [mailto:e-m...@johnspikowski.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2016 10:38 PM
> > To: user@ofbiz.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: The OFBIZ-VM crashed
> > 
> > 
> > My observation has been, Java programmers spend more time in their
> > toolbox playing/learning then coding.
> > 
> > Can someone tell me what an OFBiz 'entity' is an how is it represented?
> > (object, structure, ...)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sat, 2016-04-09 at 19:59 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >> Good question.
> >> 
> >> I had to do exactly that once for our demos when I crossed this not 
> >> obvious bug
> >> http://bugs.java.com/view_bug.do?bug_id=6973402
> >> I then mostly used https://eclipse.org/mat/
> >> 
> >> I since then also used the more complete https://www.yourkit.com/
> >> As an ASF committer you have few privileges. Like sometimes free access to 
> >> some tools, when you ask, it's not automatic.
> >> 
> >> Jacques
> >> 
> >> Le 09/04/2016 12:45, John Spikowski a écrit :
> >>> Disclaimer: Not trying to sound negative.
> >>> 
> >>> How do you debug this monster after a crash?
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Sat, 2016-04-09 at 12:49 +0300, Taher Alkhateeb wrote:
> >>>> John,
> >>>> 
> >>>> You're confusing VM with JVM. And if you think Java is unstable perhaps
> >>>> read into it some more. Java is the most powerful eco
> >>>> -system for business on the planet!
> >>>> 
> >>>> Taher Alkhateeb
> >>>> On Apr 9, 2016 12:46 PM, "John Spikowski" <e-m...@johnspikowski.com> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> My biggest concern using Java is its fragile VM environment. What do you
> >>>>> tell a client when the Java balloon 'pops' and everyone goes 500?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> On Sat, 2016-04-09 at 11:16 +0200, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> The OFBIZ-VM crashed, so the demos were down, restarting...
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Jacques
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 


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