> If you'd like to see some leading edge Flash, turn up your sound and go to > http://www.2advanced.com/ That's some pretty cool stuff!
robert > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Duffy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 12:58 PM > To: Struts Users Mailing List > Subject: Re: JSF vs Struts - Development Process Questions > > > I have some questions regarding the development process when using JSF, especially > in realtion to > HTML designers. Will everyone on the team need the same advanced design tools? > Will the > designers who are used to tweaking HTML/JSP be restricted to a completely visual > drag and drop > environment? Or even worse, will the HTML designers be required to learn JSF mark up > code? > > There was another thread a few weeks ago relating to the general development > process. Like many > others, we have gotten used to the process where the HTML designers mock up a page > and then a > software engineer transition the page to a JSP and wires it into our system (using > Struts, and > JSTL). What is the vision for the development process in JSF? > > Also, what is the ultimate vision for JSF? Do you invision a IDE that can create > interfaces on > the same level as Flash? A question asked earlier in this thread: Will JSF > integrate with Flash > forms? It would be cool to have one integrated development system that could do it > all. > > This thread was started with the question, "If you were starting a project today, > what would you > use, Struts or JSF?" My answer is, I would use Struts with JSTL and I would > purchase the new > Eclipse based IDE, NitroX (http://www.m7.com/). We purchased licenses for NitroX > after our CTO > came back from JavaOne. It looks like the creative people at M7 have done a lot of > things right; > they even have planned support for JSF. NitroX may very well evolve into the IDE > that can do it > all. The best thing about NitroX is that it will enable a transition from Struts to > JSF if you > decide to go that route. The main reason I would choose Struts/JSTL over JSF is > that it works > well within the existing skill sets of most developers and designers. > > I would keep an open mind regarding JSF, especially in regard to high level > components that are > not easily created using JSP/JSTL. This is the area where JSF could win the game. > > In the near term, my guess is that the really cool advanced interfaces are going to > require Flash. > If you'd like to see some leading edge Flash, turn up your sound and go to > http://www.2advanced.com/ > > Mike > > > > --- Michael McGrady <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > At 01:01 AM 7/19/2004, you wrote: > > >The custom tags that Struts provides (in the html and logic and bean > > >tag libraries) were a necessary precursor to "out of the box" usage of > > >Struts, in order to make it possible to adopt the basic MVC > > >architectural pattenrs. However, that was *always* a secondary > > >feature in the original vision -- the important part was separation of > > >the view tier logic from the business tier logic. > > > > > >Craig McClanahan > > >(Original creator of the Struts framework) > > > > > > As an original historical matter, it would be hubris of the highest variety > > to question you on this, Craig. As a historical consequence, however, I > > for one think that this turned out to be the more revolutionary result of > > struts, leading coding into taglibs in a way not seen before. The > > controller and MVC (of sorts) pattern in Struts existed in all sorts of > > forms prior to Struts. Struts did it better than most, maybe better than > > all the rest, and provided a standard that people could code to. But, > > those tags were just a big surprise in the way they hit the market. I, for > > one, now code tags as readily as I code classes. Not as many, of course, > > but they are a definite weapon in my quiver. A big reason for that is that > > I could code using Struts taglib code as a learning and doing mechanism > > together. Blah, blah, blah. This is not meant to be particularly > > profound. But I did want to give this boost to the tags in Struts. I > > think they have been very important to Java. > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Vote for the stars of Yahoo!'s next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/yahoo/votelifeengine/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
