Henri Yandell wrote:
On 3/19/06, Dakota Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have expressed my "technical concerns" more than once.  I have even had
Craig agree with them, in a sense.  JSF is built for those who are
technically challenged and for tools.  I don't think even Craig thinks that
JSF is superior as a product for advanced webwork.  Who knows anymore,
however.  Look under my discussions, many of them,. about page based
controllers and my advocacy of a web-MVC.

Why don't you say just what the major reason is that you chose Shale, JSF,
MyFaces, or whatever over Tapestry?  Do you think we should have Tapestry
under the Struts "umbrella" too.


Thought I'd pipe up on this one.

foo.apache.org maps to a PMC, which maps to a coding community, not to
a codebase.

Henri, I feel I should give you a bit of end-user feedback. I am not active in any apache.org projects, but, obviously, it happens quite frequently that I go visit the front page of a given apache.org project, to check it out for whatever needs I have at that moment.
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FYI, when I visit foo.apache.org, I am not there for the PMC or whatever ASF bureaucratic construct. I'm there for the code.

In general, when I visit the front page of a project, I like to be able to figure out what the thing is fairly quickly. This is definitely a problem with Struts currently.


So:

If Shale, Struts 1.x and Struts 2.x are being developed by the same
community -

Nah, my understanding is that this isn't really the case. There is a Struts 1.x which is basically in maintenance mode. There is a Struts Action Framework 2.x which is basically Webwork (until recently a completely separate *competing* product developed outside of ASF) and that's a completely separate team at the moment. And Shale is something with a completely different approach, and I assume, has a separate team.

then having them under the oversight of the Struts PMC is
a good thing. If the community splits in two or three - then the
question of their being together is a good one.

Tapestry and MyFaces are not developed by the same community, and
shouldn't be unless the communities show significant overlap.

It's that simple :)

Oh, that's a relief. It only *looks* complicated. :-)

Regards,

Jonathan Revusky
--
lead developer, FreeMarker project, http://freemarker.org/


Hen


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