would pipe logging help you then? 

the documentation for pipe logging is just below the rotation section 


Piped Logs
Apache httpd is capable of writing error and access log files through a pipe to 
another process, rather than directly to a file. This capability dramatically 
increases the flexibility of logging, without adding code to the main server. 
In order to write logs to a pipe, simply replace the filename with the pipe 
character "|", followed by the name of the executable which should accept log 
entries on its standard input. Apache will start the piped-log process when the 
server starts, and will restart it if it crashes while the server is running. 
(This last feature is why we can refer to this technique as "reliable piped 
logging".)

Piped log processes are spawned by the parent Apache httpd process, and inherit 
the userid of that process. This means that piped log programs usually run as 
root. It is therefore very important to keep the programs simple and secure.

One important use of piped logs is to allow log rotation without having to 
restart the server. The Apache HTTP Server includes a simple program called 
rotatelogs for this purpose. For example, to rotate the logs every 24 hours, 
you can use:

CustomLog "|/usr/local/apache/bin/rotatelogs /var/log/access_log 86400" common 

Notice that quotes are used to enclose the entire command that will be called 
for the pipe. Although these examples are for the access log, the same 
technique can be used for the error log.

A similar but much more flexible log rotation program called cronolog is 
available at an external site.

As with conditional logging, piped logs are a very powerful tool, but they 
should not be used where a simpler solution like off-line post-processing is 
available.



-----Original Message-----
From: Maxim Vexler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:12 AM
To: users@httpd.apache.org
Subject: Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] log rotation for apache 2.0.54 on w2k3 server
?


On 5/21/05, Ian Huynh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ---->>>>>> for 2.x documentation, see 
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs-2.0/logs.html#rotation
> ---->>>>>>you may want to also check out http://www.cronolog.org

Thank you for the info but my problem remains.
The 2.x documentation tell me exactly the same thing :
It suggests moving the logs to a new location _while_ Apache is still
writing to them, this is possible on *nix because the kernel sees the
files as inodes (same as creating another hard link).
Then the document suggests doing a "graceful restart", what will
actually happen is that once Apache drops his "ownership" of
access_log (and other files) the system driver (the kernel) will
delete the file.
What happens then is that once Apache receives a new connection it
_recreates_ that access_log (and other files) from scratch.
This whole procedure resulting in a "rotation" because the old file is
in our hands to do with it what ever we please and the new log's size
is 0.

This all true for *nix, it's my luck to fall on a stupid windows
server that doesn't even know how to do the most basic file action :
hard linking.
And to tell you all the truth - IT SUCKS :).

I believe that I'm not the first person in the world to face this
problem so I naturally assumed that a simple solution would be
existing (by the Apache for windows build).

Isn't this the case ?


The only solution I currently aware of is : Stop Apache, move logs,
Start Apache.
I don't think I need to tell you that this is not the preferred way to go.


Thank you for replaying and helping me.


-- 
Cheers, 
Maxim Vexler (hq4ever).

Do u GNU ?

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