On 22-Mar-08, at 4:47 PM, Trenton Adams wrote:
Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 22-Mar-08, at 4:24 PM, Trenton Adams wrote:
I agree that it's not more complex in every way. But, it seems
like it is in some ways. For instance, it's looking to me that in
order to actually get it to package my WAR with the JAR, I will
have to deploy my code JAR to a repository first, then make it a
dependency in my webapp, the package my webapp. Is that right?
No. Everything happens locally you don't have to deploy anything.
If the JAR is providing functionally separate code then you put it
in another module. Otherwise then just compile the classes and put
them in your WAR and just use one project.
The JAR is only providing build dependency code. i.e. kind of like
xerces-api vs xerces-impl.
Yep, I put it in another module. So how do I now put them both
(webapp and code modules) together into a WAR?
You just specify it as a dependency. You need to read a bit of the
website and look at the WAR plugin.
If so, that's more complex than ant, for this set of
functionality. If not, how do I go about doing it?
Okay, so I've got two sub-projects now. How do I get the webapp
to build a WAR with the JAR from the code of the other sub
project? And, can I do it without deploying the JAR to a
repository?
And hey, I agree with enforcing the "architectural integrity"
concept, as long as it is not too restrictive. I'm going to have
to wait and see if it's as restrictive as it seems. It could just
be me at this point. But, any help you could give to convince me
of your stance, would be appreciated. I do like "simple". I try
to write my code simple, and I want my builds to be simple, and
maintainable as well.
Thanks.
Jason van Zyl wrote:
On 22-Mar-08, at 3:23 PM, Trenton Adams wrote:
Yes, it definitely is simpler in some ways, but ends up being
more complex, and less intuitive in many other ways. Kind of
like a Mac in comparison to Windows. Mac is so dumbed down it
becomes difficult to use to get the job done, in many other
ways. I found ant a lot easier in many ways. The learning
curve for ant was extremely minimal. I suppose I have to use
maven, just for it's dependency management, but I sure don't
like the structure it uses. :(
It's not more complex as the premise is that composition trumps a
big globular build. It is intentional and in the long run will
prove far more useful. Based on feedback from hundreds of users
over the years this has been the overwhelming opinion. We enforce
this architectural integrity from the get go.
So, how do I go about doing it then, with multiple projects? Do
I have two copies of everything? Do I make one module depend on
the other, so that every time I want to deploy, I have to either
install the dependency JAR into the local repository, or a
remote one, so that the webapp has access to it? i.e. If I
update the one project, that has the class files and such, how
is the webapp project going to know about it?
It kind of upsets me, because a couple years ago, I specifically
combined two projects that were really one project, because ant
has the ability to make different jars and such. I did it
because it was "simpler", and now maven is making it more
complex. :( Okay, I'm done pouting. :P I'll have to see if
it's worth it.
Jochen Wiedmann wrote:
On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Trenton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
That's what I was about to do, but that really is a hack.
No, it isn't. That's the suggested way to do it.
to be a better way than that. Isn't there? I thought maven
would at
least have the functionality of ant.
Of course, Maven can do anything that Ant can do: Just use the
maven-antrun-plugin and create an Ant script that can be
launched from
Maven. The funny thing about Maven is that it enforces you to
work
structured. That implies, in particular, to think and work in
modules.
Once you get used to it, you'll soon learn that it simplifies
things.
At least, my Maven scripts are typically much simpler and more
easily
understood than my monster Ant scripts.
Jochen
Thanks,
Jason
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