Hi Everyone!
in my head:
- the term "moderated" means that someone/a software appliance reads the
mail and change something in it to make message more "soft for human
eyes" (moderate it!) *before* send it to the list; this is a behavior
that *all* posts (sub and unsub) may be subjected (!!!); this happen in
the lists all over the world;
- the term [non subscriber] or [not subscriber] are exactly describing
what actually and now is happening in our lists and so are more suitable;
- if you use to moderate mails/posts in mailing lists only for "non
subscriber" and so there is a one-to-one relation between the first two
things, this is lists choice, but far to be clear in many non owner
people!!! And this take to frequently mail to thread answers that think
"moderated" means like in my first point/element to make them know that
the mean are the second in my list! All, but nice! All, but intuitive!
If you want to eat an apple, you ask for an apple!
If you want to eat a pizza, you go to Naples and ask for a pizza!
If you want to say a mail is from a "non subscriber" person, you tag it
with "non subscriber" string (also if in your system that is for some
ignored cause equivalent to a commonly different meaning term/word!!!).
Isn't it?
If you want be clear, be clear! You'll see less people sending answer
for non subscriber user only to the target list!
If you want to be perfect change flag to:
[non subscriber, please answer both him and the list]
;-)
Carlo
Il 26/08/2010 05:23, Varun Mittal ha scritto:
Hi Barbara,
I believe there are multiple moderators.I am not sure about the ownership
:)
As for allowing subsequent e-mails from the same address for the same
thread, I think that is a feasible and practical solution. But I don't think
the admin will have time before OOoCon to do this... :(
I agree that there would be no real benefits of changing tag.
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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Barbara Duprey<b...@onr.com> wrote:
Hi, Varun! Have you taken over from Paul? Is he still the owner, or are
you?
What I meant is that *after* the post has been moderated and sent on to the
list, the account should be considered subscribed in some fashion that does
not send all the messages from the list but simply allows the posts to come
through unmoderated. Not exactly no-mail, but the only posts they should get
are the ones in the threads they've posted to. In any case, in my
experience spammers change the accounts they send from very frequently.
I see no benefit in changing the tag text, it's pretty unambiguous and
almost everybody is used to it. Some may have filters set on it, though the
Delivered-To header would still be there and is more meaningful.
On 8/25/2010 9:23 PM, Varun Mittal wrote:
The problem with the suggested solution is that we have a lot of spammers.
If we do it like treating subsequent posts from them as from subscriber,
trust me everyone will be frustrated. I as the moderator see at least 15
spam mails per day on average.
So I suggest we should let the existing mechanism be there as it is.
However
if people feel , we can think about renaming of moderated tag to non-sub.
But the message approval mechanism from non subscribers should remain same
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On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 7:16 AM, Barbara Duprey<b...@onr.com> wrote:
On 8/25/2010 4:16 PM, Carlo Strata wrote:
Il 25/08/2010 17:43, Barbara Duprey ha scritto:
On 8/25/2010 8:52 AM, Carlo Strata wrote:
Il 24/08/2010 05:35, Gail Severin ha scritto:
Where is the bar code for envelopes addresses in Word? I really need
the
bar codes option. If there is none on this program that I have, can
an
update be created adding that option? Thanks. Gail Severin
gvse...@suddenlink.net
Hi Gail,
many answer to you only in the mailing list so that you didn't receive
and read their useful answer, so subscribe this list for the future
and/or browse directly here:
http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html#general
and here for your thread (this one)
http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/BrowseList?list=users&by=thread&from=2405760
<snip>
The main problem with an unsubscribed user trying to use the OOo
archive
is that it is not conversational. If a question is asked for clarifying
a problem, so a better answer can be provided, the unsub would really
have to copy the question into a new e-mail, add the response, and then
send the message to the list (messing up threading). Also, this
response
will continue to need moderation, adding the delay time into the
process. Using the list's thread command allows natural response, but
still has the delay, and subject line changes break the thread. So far,
the best technique I've seen is to use old.nabble.com (or Gmane, but
that seems more complicated); the first reply will require the unsub to
confirm the e-mail address is active, but thereafter their messages
will
be "injected" and not need any moderation. Still far from ideal,
primarily because OOo has no control. I'm hoping that the Kenai
implementation will solve this whole issue!
Hi Barbara,
A first good step would be to change "[moderated]" to, e.g., "[non sub]"
or "[non subscriber]", and leave the "[moderated]" flag with his correct
mean also if unused at this moment. Isn't it?
Carlo
The [moderated] tag *always* means the poster is not subscribed, and
that's
its only meaning, so that would not really add any information. And it
does
nothing for the majority of the unsubs, who write directly to the list
and
don't go through the path where that tag is attached. What I think really
should happen is that when an unsubscribed user posts, they should be
given
an option to receive any updates to their thread (like what happens when
you
file an issue), and their subsequent posts should be treated as if from a
subscriber without their getting the full list e-mails -- which many find
overwhelming. That would put the responsibility on them, and none of us
would ever have to know whether they were actually subscribed or not.
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