Thank you, you've made my point.
1) Dismiss what you don't like to hear and give me a timeout, that's mature.
2) You accuse "the right wing[er]" of making this issue political when
we've/I've done no such thing. The maintainers of the list have listened
to those who've turned something benign (whitelist/blacklist) into
something political and are now groveling to the political Marxists.
Where does it stop. No one has answered my question. Now that
whitelist/blacklist are gone why isn't Apache on the chopping block?
What's next?
3) As I made clear to someone else who used ad hominem against me, I'll
debate you any time on any of these issues, and I'll do it offsite. But
like this other person you'll refuse because all you have is ad hominem.
It's what you're reduced to when you're position has been destroyed.
On 7/12/2020 10:47 AM, rtroy wrote:
Hi Yall,
I've been a member of this list for years but this is my first post to
the list.
Given the great many posts already posted, I'll at least try and
contribute something useful.
First, whenever script re-writing might become necessary to change
something like, say "BumList" to "BanList", I had written a utility to
do this and then, years later, the mysql team wrote a better version.
...I wouldn't use their database - I'm a Postgres guy, worked for
Stonebraker at Berkeley when Postgres was developed in the '90s - BUT,
their "replace" utility is fantastic. ...On one of my boxes, it is
provided by: mysql-selinux-1.0.0-8.fc30.noarch
I had also written my own file rename utility, but again, someone did
it better. Apparently since 2011, rename has been a part of the
util-linux package, available from Kernel.org, and already a part of
many distributions. It's darned handy when you have to update a bunch
of file names that match a pattern. And I only learned of it one day
when my PATH was screwed up! Maybe some of you didn't know about it
either.
So, for the jdows of the world, keeping your scripts updated doesn't
have to be that hard.
As for master/slave, with Postgres' replication the terms master /
slave weren't embedded into the project, though some people use those
terms. In my book "master" is just fine - has nothing at all to do
with slavery but rather skill, such as in the terms "chess master" &
"master chef", or command as in "ship's master," among a great many
others nobody associates with racism. But instead of "slave", I refer
to the copies as replicants. There are usually many good alternatives,
we just have to be sensitive to not unnecessarily use terms some might
deem offensive. In my book "slave" can be an unnecessary reminder of
racial injustices, while at worst "blacklist" evokes un-just job
discrimination, and in any event, what we're doing with a spam filter
IS discrimination. Discrimination in and of itself is NOT bad, only
discrimination for un-just reasons. And discriminating email based on
who it came from is a perfectly valid reason to discriminate. As jdow
said, discrimination on the basis of a positive or negative
contribution or capability is fine, but on the basis of appearance
isn't, to name just a couple of attributes one might discriminate on.
I STRONGLY agree with what jdow said about not fixing what's not
broken (and most of her other comments). In particular, this IS bad
for the project, not good. (If you want to do something truly helpful
about it, see my recommendation below.)
Jdow's got a few years on me but we probably entered the working world
around the same time and it might be worth a brief comment about
background: My first job in computer science was in 1978, and I wrote
(solo) the operating system for the TANO Outpost's new 6809 processor
back in the very late '70s and very early '80s (real-time, general
purpose hardware control with multi-tasking and a CPU / hardware
cooperation to provide virtual memory - it was pretty advanced stuff
for the time). ...In my time in computing I've both employed and been
employed by Turing Award winners (Jim Gray & Michael Stonebraker) and
worked on more projects than I can even recall. So, I have a LOT of
experience in this field.
When I stumbled across all these posts, at first I was annoyed at the
idiocy of it all: light and dark, white and black, have been used by
humanity for as long as there have been records to follow, in every
language, and even earlier than that if we look at art, to describe
desirable and undesirable; anyone who has hurt feelings over this is
just an ignorant person and they have misplaced sensibilities. This
usage likely arises from the fears of our pre-scientific understanding
of the world when there are things we can see and things we cannot and
there's a natural fear of what we don't know & cannot see. (If anyone
wants a readily accessible means of confirming this, please see the
copious works of Joseph Campbell, especially in his video series with
Bill Moyers entitled "The Masks of God" - even better the book series
of the same name that goes back some 30,000 years - worth reading no
matter your motive.) EVERY CULTURE across the globe and throughout
time can be easily shown to use these same metaphors for good and bad,
desirable and undesirable. And I'm sorry but this really is an idiotic
change to make to working code - not that I have a vote.
Now, I can understand not wanting to offend the ignorant people who
don't understand. To my mind the answer is to inform them via a simple
web link to a source that can explain this to those concerned. This
would be 1) doing something about some of the pain of racism some may
feel; 2) easy to implement; 3) educational, and; 4) not consuming
resources needlessly and not adding the risk of new bugs. Why NOT do
this instead?! Remember, everybody's ignorant, just about different
things is all! So, fine, we just help teach them! ...If you feel you
have to do something about this particular problem, I would guess it's
because you yourself feel guilty for not doing anything about racism
before - or not enough. This proposed change to the code is a very
poor choice of how to respond.
Now, after being annoyed at the knee-jerk over-reaction, I read ALL of
the comments and was both amused and saddened by what I found in the
comments. ... Some people here I've come to REALLY like, and well,
there just had to be a RWNJ in the crowd, now didn't there? Really,
park your politics at the curb, nobody came here (joined the list) to
listen to your right wing politics, especially when it really is
neither helpful nor accurate. ...The last serveral posts by the right
wing political speaker were particularly offensive and if I ran the
list, I'd give that guy a "time out." And that's ALL I'll say on the
matter.
Now, keep on keeping on, folks,
RT
