Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
> > > > > and spf is unapplicable since the envelope from is null.
> > > >
> > > > Isn't that the case with all bounce messages?
> 
> > Matus UHLAR - fantomas:
> > > usually yes, it should be. But we of course can't guarantee that.
> > > 
> > > This also means that SPF can't be used, thus either those messages have 
> > > DKIM
> > > signatures, or they CAN NOT pass DMARC.
> 
> On 22.04.22 16:22, David Bürgin wrote:
> > In SPF, when the reverse-path is null, the HELO name is instead
> > verified. So a null reverse-path can work fine with relaxed alignment.
> 
> but related to DMARC, this could only be applied only in case of the HELO
> being identical to From: domain I guess

If some mail server sends you a bounce message, part of the conversation
will be:

EHLO mail.mydomain.org
MAIL FROM:<>
...
From: me <m...@mydomain.org>

When MAIL FROM is empty, SPF will verify the HELO domain (with
local-part ‘postmaster’) instead. In this example, given the proper
setup, mail.mydomain.org would pass SPF, and using the default relaxed
alignment, DMARC would pass based on SPF alone.

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