Am 25.03.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Nick Edwards:
if i need to take the phone and ask the admin if a mail was discarded or
just not delivered at the moment the mailservice is shit

get into the real world, and there you go again someone does different
than reindl does so they must be shit.  jesus christ you have a lame
outlook on life, get used to the fact  because someone does something
different than you, doesnt mean its bad.

you should get into the real world

if iw rite a mail and don't get a bounce i have to expect it was delivered, if mail delivery is not trustable it is shit - not because you are doing it different than me - but because your mailservice is some sort of lottery

a reject at SMTP level in case of spam don't produce bounces anywhere,
but the bot may interpret as "that RCPT don't accept mail" - with a

bots have not learned from 55x messages  EVER they dont care, they
never have they never will, they will resend their shit 50 times a
second without hesitation anyone whos been a mail admin for more than
5 years knows this

in the time you wrote that paragraph you could have opened the attachment, the curve of RBL rejects moved dramatically down while the number of daily delivered mail is unchanged


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