It is not a hobby nor it is a home project but that is beside the point but I see you want drop the same logic so I wont bother anymore then.
As far as I recall there was an articale 2 months ago from one of the Wicket founders stating that they wish the had the same approach with IOC as Tapestry did. So go figure On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 11:41 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, hearing you, it seems like you use Tapestry in an informal hobby-like > projects. If it's the case then sorry for troubling you. Use Tapestry as it > works for you. But if you're in a corporate setting, choosing Tapestry or > continuing to use Tapestry may end in a financial disaster because the > Organisation would one day have to throw it all away and start all over > again with another technology because Tapestry would die and support and > upgrade of the framework would halt. > > So I understand you're happy with Tapestry on your home hobby project > because it works for you. But for all others reading this and using or > planning to use Tapestry in a corporate setting, DONT DO IT. Tapestry has > failed. Even Howard has admitted that in an interview recently. Howard is > happily coding Wicket on a client project. > > Cheers > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Boris Horvat <horvat.z.bo...@gmail.com > >wrote: > > > Wrong and here is why. > > You will die (lets hope you dont get a heart attack while writing here) > and > > does that mean you should give up? I dont think so (regardless of your > > current behaviour). > > > > Yea, tapestry will die, so will java, as well the thing that replaces > java > > eventually, still you dont give up just because of that. you use it as > long > > as it works for you. > > > > Allow me to share the two greats things I have ever learned in my entire > > life. > > > > 1. Tools. > > > > One of the teacher once told me that every time he sees something like > > "Java vs C++", "Tapestry vs Wicket" or "Something vs Something else", > what > > he does is replaces the first word with hammer and second with > screwdriver. > > The point it that what *tool *to use depends on the problem. In other > words > > there is *no one correct answer* when asking a *vs *question > > > > 2. Data > > > > All in all, applications that we write are transient, tomorrow they will > be > > replaced by some new technology that will be designed to do a better job > > (see my point on tools again) and it is *data *that we should focus and > not > > on one application, and not on any one languag and not one technology. > > > > For me tapestry works. I like the syntax, I like the simplicity. I am ok > > with the performance, I am really excited with tapestry 5.4. Oh and I am > > really happy with people here helping each other out. > > But if you dont think that tapestry works for you then dont use it.* It > is > > that simple.* > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:31 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > But it's not smart to choose something that we all know is going to > die, > > > right or not? > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Boris Horvat < > horvat.z.bo...@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > Emmanuel FOCUS. Relax. 1, 2, 3, Again relax. Breath slowly now. 1, 2, > > 3. > > > > > > > > You calm? Ok good. Now listen. > > > > > > > > People have the right to choice what they want. Tapestry is a tool > > just a > > > > tool, you can pick another one if you dont like it. People have > > different > > > > needs, expectations, desires and they chose tapestry you dont and > that > > is > > > > fine > > > > > > > > 1, 2, 3. Relax.... and enjoy your perfect world without tapestry. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Emmanuel Sowah <eso...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Well, there are too few ( 20 or so?) Tapestry users to warrant a > > > Facebook > > > > > page. So I think this is the best place to enlighten people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 10:16 PM, Jens Breitenstein < > > > > mailingl...@j-b-s.de > > > > > >wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Emmanuel, > > > > > > > > > > > > please stop your spam. This is a mailing list for developers even > > > > stupid > > > > > > ones like us using tapestry. > > > > > > Create your little Facebook page name it "Tapestry sucks" add a > "I > > > > > dislike > > > > > > it too" button or something else and we all can continue with > more > > > > > serious > > > > > > stuff. > > > > > > > > > > > > Jens > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Am 20.11.13 22:12, schrieb Emmanuel Sowah: > > > > > > > > > > > > Alexander, > > > > > >> > > > > > >> I'm sorry to disappoint you, but Tapestry cannot be revived. > > > Tapestry > > > > > has > > > > > >> been in coma for too long. As you may know, people who have been > > in > > > > coma > > > > > >> for a very long time cannot be revived. They ultimately die, as > > > > Tapestry > > > > > >> is > > > > > >> slowly dying now. Check the article found at > > > > > >> http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision- > > > > > >> makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/. > > > > > >> Choose one of those frameworks mentioned there and you'll be > fine. > > > > > >> > > > > > >> Cheers > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 9:15 PM, Alexander Sommer < > > > > > >> alexander.som...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > >> > > > > > >> tapestry would and will easily revive if 5.4. would come out > with > > > > full > > > > > >>> jQuery (and jQuery mobile) support ;-) > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I am just waiting for 5.4 and think that others are doing the > > same. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> I also would love mobile web templates with 5.4 based on jQuery > > > > mobile. > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> 2013/11/20 Lenny Primak <lpri...@hope.nyc.ny.us> > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>> What a troll!! > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> On Nov 20, 2013, at 2:52 PM, Emmanuel Sowah wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> Guys, > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> You Tapestry aficionados are just some radicals who are blind > > to > > > > see > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> the > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> reality. The fact of the matter is Tapestry is no more > relevant > > in > > > > the > > > > > >>>>> developers community. Even Mr. Ship doesn't use Tapestry > > anymore > > > in > > > > > his > > > > > >>>>> projects. Stop being stupid and look around for a better > > > > alternative. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> Your > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> knowledge and experience about Tapestry won't land you a job > > > > > anywhere. > > > > > >>>>> Tapestry is now only used on hobby projects at home. As we're > > > > > speaking > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> now, > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> Howard is happily coding Wicket on a client's project.Leave > > this > > > > cult > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> and > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> do something better with serious frameworks. Tapestry is dying > > an > > > > > >>>>> inevitable death. > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> Cheers > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Norman Franke < > > > nor...@myasd.com> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>> wrote: > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> That's funny, I was thinking the same thing. Someone who > > doesn't > > > > know > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> any > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> better about how to write a modern web application and > insists > > > that > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> JSP > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> code is "closer to the bare metal" and thus better. > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Norman Franke > > > > > >>>>>> Answering Service for Directors, Inc. > > > > > >>>>>> www.myasd.com > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> On Nov 18, 2013, at 7:09 PM, John <j...@quivinco.com> > wrote: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> Haha. Maybe it's someone who's maintaining thousands of > lines > > > of > > > > > evil > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> old incomprehensible JSP, has seen the promised land > > (Tapestry) > > > > and > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>> feels > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> bad about it. (Like the guy who never gets invited to > parties). > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > >>>>>>> From: Lance Java > > > > > >>>>>>> To: Tapestry users > > > > > >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 9:38 PM > > > > > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: Web frameworks > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> I'm not sure why... but for some reason a random user comes > > on > > > > this > > > > > >>>>>>> tapestry list about once a year spreading FUD with a > message > > > > > similar > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> to > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> this one. I've never really understood why... Please ignore > this > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> thread. > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> On 18 November 2013 19:12, Emmanuel Sowah < > eso...@gmail.com> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> Hi guys, > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> There is a great report that compares web frameworks and > can > > > be > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> found > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> here: > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> http://zeroturnaround.com/rebellabs/the-2014-decision- > > > > > >>> makers-guide-to-java-web-frameworks/ > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> To my surprise, Tapestry didn't make it to the list. This > makes > > me > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> very > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> nervous to even consider Tapestry for our upcoming project. > I'm > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> scared > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> Tapestry may be abandoned one day and leave us in the cold. It > > may > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> be > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> a > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> nice framework, but Tapestry's popularity is extremely low > > within > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> the > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> developers' community. Why is that? Is it because of it's > track > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> record > > > > > >>> > > > > > >>>> on > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> releases and backward compatibility issues, which I read a > > lot > > > > > about > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>> on > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>>> google search? Or is it because it's a one man project? > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> What do you think? > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > > > > >>>>>>>> Emmanuel > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > > > >>>>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: > users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@tapestry.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Sincerely > > > > *Boris Horvat* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sincerely > > *Boris Horvat* > > > -- Sincerely *Boris Horvat*
