Feel lucky that you are getting a warning.  I've been in many situations
where we fired the person for port scanning.  It's all the same. They
need to protect the network. You are presenting a potential threat. They
need a blanket solution that they have put under the authority of the
Honor Code office.  

You leave college and you will still be treated like a child no matter
where you go. When it comes to fears and concerns this will always
happnen.


--Travis

On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 16:35, Wade Preston Shearer wrote:
> phrasing isn't important to me...
> 
> it's the treating us like five year olds that i am sick of.
> 
> granted, i have never attended a university other than BYU, so i don't 
> have anything to compare against...
> 
> and, i am not arguing policies (although i am against many)...
> 
> my point is the way they implement/enforce/broadcast their policies. 
> sure, a third of the campus are eighteen year old boys that still need 
> baby-sitting, but the rest of us are working professionals that would 
> like a nice, professional environment to get an education in.
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 10:10 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote:
> 
> > To be fair, I was paraphrasing (too lazy to look at the other message),
> > and the true wording was "As a student of Brigham Young University this
> > kind of behavior is not acceptable.  If it continues it may result in
> > speaking with people in the honor code office."
> >
> > That reads a tad less threatening than my paraphrase. (At least to me 
> > it
> > conveys that he's not personally threatening, just warning me. He's
> > probably not the only person involved in these things)
> >
> > * Wade Preston Shearer [Tue, 26 Aug 2003 at 09:57 -0600]
> > <quote>
> >> although i think that it is dumb... it is their network, so if they
> >> want to restrict that... they can... but...
> >>
> >> their response of...
> >>
> >>    "as a BYU student this behavior is unacceptable and if it
> >>    continues will be reported to the honor code office"
> >>
> >>
> >> ...is a stupid!
> >>
> >> why is everything so extreme? what in the flying fig newton does port
> >> scanning your own server have to do with the honor code office?
> >>
> >> why can't they simply inform you that BYU has a policy against port
> >> scanning from on campus?
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 09:39 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote:
> >>
> >>> Naturally you shouldn't be portscanning other people's computers
> >>> anywhere, but don't even try portscanning your own off-campus server
> >>> from on campus because BYU appears to be monitoring their logs for
> >>> things. That's reassuring. The fact that they were two weeks late in
> >>> contacting me about the portscan I did weakens that feeling of
> >>> reassurance, though...
> >>>
> >>> When I notified them that I was just scanning my own server to verify
> >>> the firewall they politely said 'as a BYU student this behavior is
> >>> unacceptable and if it continues will be reported to the honor code
> >>> office'. I suggest you just stay off the radar and avoid portscanning
> >>> from on campus period.
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Hans Fugal                 | De gustibus non disputandum est.
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