Including... (continued below) On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 13:11, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 14:02 US/Mountain, Hyrum Wright wrote: > > > On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 10:35, Wade Preston Shearer wrote: > >> phrasing isn't important to me... > >> > >> it's the treating us like five year olds that i am sick of. > >> > >> granted, i have never attended a university other than BYU, so i don't > >> have anything to compare against... > >> > >> and, i am not arguing policies (although i am against many)... > >> > >> my point is the way they implement/enforce/broadcast their policies. > >> sure, a third of the campus are eighteen year old boys that still need > >> baby-sitting, but the rest of us are working professionals that would > >> like a nice, professional environment to get an education in. > > > > <asbestos_underwear> > > > > I've been following this thread, and I'm interested in why this is such > > an issue. I mean, we all applied to go to this University, nobody > > forced us, we chose. So I guess having policies that we don't like > > means that we don't have a choice anymore. I mean, nobody _ever_ > > transfers away from BYU, for any reason, and if we have a enough of a > > problem with whatever policy, each of us are free to do the same. If > > it > > isn't important enough to leave for, then we should learn to live with > > rules we don't like, because that's just the way life is. Maybe > > _thats_ > > part of getting an education. > > there is no way that i am EVERY 'going to learn to live' with > something. if there is something that is not run very well... then i am > going to raise my voice and petition to get it changed.
the annoying tendency... (continued below) > > > > </asbestos_underwear> > > > > All that said, it would be nice if the University showed a little bit > > of > > trust in its students every once in a while. > > > > Flame away... > > > > Hyrum > > > >> > >> On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 10:10 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote: > >> > >>> To be fair, I was paraphrasing (too lazy to look at the other > >>> message), > >>> and the true wording was "As a student of Brigham Young University > >>> this > >>> kind of behavior is not acceptable. If it continues it may result in > >>> speaking with people in the honor code office." > >>> > >>> That reads a tad less threatening than my paraphrase. (At least to me > >>> it > >>> conveys that he's not personally threatening, just warning me. He's > >>> probably not the only person involved in these things) > >>> > >>> * Wade Preston Shearer [Tue, 26 Aug 2003 at 09:57 -0600] > >>> <quote> > >>>> although i think that it is dumb... it is their network, so if they > >>>> want to restrict that... they can... but... > >>>> > >>>> their response of... > >>>> > >>>> "as a BYU student this behavior is unacceptable and if it > >>>> continues will be reported to the honor code office" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ...is a stupid! > >>>> > >>>> why is everything so extreme? what in the flying fig newton does > >>>> port > >>>> scanning your own server have to do with the honor code office? > >>>> > >>>> why can't they simply inform you that BYU has a policy against port > >>>> scanning from on campus? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tuesday, Aug 26, 2003, at 09:39 US/Mountain, Hans Fugal wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> Naturally you shouldn't be portscanning other people's computers > >>>>> anywhere, but don't even try portscanning your own off-campus > >>>>> server > >>>>> from on campus because BYU appears to be monitoring their logs for > >>>>> things. That's reassuring. The fact that they were two weeks late > >>>>> in > >>>>> contacting me about the portscan I did weakens that feeling of > >>>>> reassurance, though... > >>>>> > >>>>> When I notified them that I was just scanning my own server to > >>>>> verify > >>>>> the firewall they politely said 'as a BYU student this behavior is > >>>>> unacceptable and if it continues will be reported to the honor code > >>>>> office'. I suggest you just stay off the radar and avoid > >>>>> portscanning > >>>>> from on campus period. > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Hans Fugal | De gustibus non disputandum est. > >>>>> http://hans.fugal.net/ | Debian, vim, mutt, ruby, text, gpg > >>>>> http://gdmxml.fugal.net/ | WindowMaker, gaim, UTF-8, RISC, JS > >>>>> Bach > >>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>> -- > >>>>> GnuPG Fingerprint: 6940 87C5 6610 567F 1E95 CB5E FC98 E8CD E0AA > >>>>> D460 > >>>>> <mime-attachment>____________________ > >>>>> BYU Unix Users Group > >>>>> http://uug.byu.edu/ > >>>>> ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>>> List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ____________________ > >>>> BYU Unix Users Group > >>>> http://uug.byu.edu/ > >>>> ___________________________________________________________________ > >>>> List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list > >>> </quote> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Hans Fugal | De gustibus non disputandum est. > >>> http://hans.fugal.net/ | Debian, vim, mutt, ruby, text, gpg > >>> http://gdmxml.fugal.net/ | WindowMaker, gaim, UTF-8, RISC, JS Bach > >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>> GnuPG Fingerprint: 6940 87C5 6610 567F 1E95 CB5E FC98 E8CD E0AA D460 > >>> <mime-attachment>____________________ > >>> BYU Unix Users Group > >>> http://uug.byu.edu/ > >>> ___________________________________________________________________ > >>> List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list > >> > >> > >> > >> ____________________ > >> BYU Unix Users Group > >> http://uug.byu.edu/ > >> ___________________________________________________________________ > >> List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list > > -- > > Need an Open Source Genealogy tool? 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