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Perhaps this won't make any difference, but I too believe that this banning was a little unwarranted. I *don't* approve of the language Michael used, but shortly afterward Andrew posted a message that said this:
| Okay, everybody. It's easy to get emotional in some of the more | political discussions. I'm glad where we have a forum where we can | share opinions. | | However, I'd like to remind everyone that swearing is not something | that we can tolerate on the list. It's all fun and games until | someone loses an eye. Or something like that. Just use common | sense. Fortunately, it's a tiny minority of people that have a | problem.
Maybe I'm way off, but this sounds like it's meant as a general warning. If it was indeed meant that way, then doesn't that imply that the offender is to be given another chance. That's the purpose of this sort of a friendly reminder, isn't it?
For the record, I disagree with Michael on many, many points. I also don't appreciate his language. However, I can find no official policy on this anywhere, beyond this very general statement in the club charter:
| Members are expected to uphold the BYU Honor Code and LDS church | standards.
That having been said, I have to agree wholeheartedly with Stewart. If this sort of banning is to take place, we need to have a published policy for it. Essentially, we need to have the rule of law, and have established procedures so that there can be no question of the appropriateness of the action taken.
Not even the BYU Honor Code Office expels you for the first offense.
Lloyd
Stuart Jansen wrote:
| On Fri, 2005-03-25 at 19:06 +0000, Jason Holt wrote: | |> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 |> 12:44:41 -0600 From: Michael Halcrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [...] |> Subject: Kick-banned / last request |> |> On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 11:13:39AM -0700, Erin Sharmahd wrote: |> |>> At the request of the uug-officers, you have been removed and |>> banned from uug-list for swearing in this email. | | | Exsqueeze me?! | | I know we joke about this being a dictatorship, but that was an | inappropriate decision. Micheal was a long time contributor with | many interesting and useful things to say. Even if he hadn't been, | a warning of some type would have been more appropriate than | banning him without consulting the group. His language may have | pushed the envelope for a BYU setting, but I've heard it uttered on | campus and the person wasn't stoned or run off. | | I think it's time we had official policy on list subscriptions and | dealing with problems. Autocratic banning just isn't appropriate, | especially for such a minor offense. | | | ---------------------------------------------------------------------- | | | -------------------- BYU Unix Users Group http://uug.byu.edu/ | | The opinions expressed in this message are the responsibility of | their author. They are not endorsed by BYU, the BYU CS Department | or BYU-UUG. | ___________________________________________________________________ | List Info: http://uug.byu.edu/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uug-list -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org
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