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Thank you for clarifying this.
Lloyd
Andrew McNabb wrote:
| On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 12:26:43PM -0700, Stuart Jansen wrote:
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|> I know we joke about this being a dictatorship, but that was an
|> inappropriate decision. Micheal was a long time contributor with
|> many interesting and useful things to say. Even if he hadn't
|> been, a warning of some type would have been more appropriate
|> than banning him without consulting the group. His language may
|> have pushed the envelope for a BYU setting, but I've heard it
|> uttered on campus and the person wasn't stoned or run off.
|
|
| I'd like to make a few comments about this topic.
|
| First, the decision was made among all of the officers, and was
| unanimous (this includes tuxgirl and all the rest, for those of you
| who are trying to turn this into a campaigning thread).
|
| Second, it's not a permanent ban. This is the only way to knock
| someone on the head and say, "Look, we take this seriously." If
| Michael would email us and say, "I'm sorry. I realize that it was
| inappropriate. I won't do it again," we would reinstate him. In
| times past (since before I was a UUG officer--check the list
| archives for November 2003), this was the same action taken, and
| the reason is that people that write offensive emails tend to do it
| several times in a row. We have to have a way to tell them to
| chill.
|
| If any of you read Michael's response, you can see a really bad
| attitude ("I'm willing to accept that I'm just not BYU-approved
| material"). I think he likes to be a martyr (check the archives
| for the last time he got in a huge fight and left the list in a
| storm). I have a hard time seeing him come back and apologize and
| commit to better behavior, but if he does, I'm more than happy to
| put him back on the list. With his current attitude, I would feel
| irresponsible signing him back up on the list.
|
|
|> I think it's time we had official policy on list subscriptions
|> and dealing with problems. Autocratic banning just isn't
|> appropriate, especially for such a minor offense.
|
|
| This was not a decision made by any single person. It was made by
| elected officers of the UUG. This is not the first time Michael
| has made a stink, and we have had several complaints about his
| behavior on the list, including at least one person who isn't on
| the UUG list because of receiving what they feel to be abusive
| treatment from him.
|
| If Michael wants to rejoin the list, I'm happy to let him. All he
| has to do is commit to following BYU standards--to follow the
| rules. I'm responsible to the school for making sure that things
| are kept reasonable, and I'm trying to do the best I can. If we
| all try to respect each other and use common sense, we can keep the
| list pleasant and inviting.
|
|
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