VACList DigestVACList-Digest Thursday, September 5, 2002 Issue 416
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Re; I Quit
2. Re: I Quit
3. Re: Argosy Models
4. Re: Old NL
5. Fantastic Fan installation questions
6. Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
7. I quit
8. VAC DVD showing axle replacement?
9. Construction differences '74 Argosy - '69 Safari
10. Micky's gate to the monocoque?
11. 1967
12. Re: 1967
13. vintage lock cylinders
14. Re: VAC DVD showing axle replacement?
15. Re: Argosy Models
16. The Plan
17. Re: The Plan
18. Re: The Plan
19. Old Newsletters
20. Classic Airstream Club?
21. Re: The Plan
22. Re: The Plan
23. Re: Old Newsletters
24. Re: The Plan
25. Re: The Plan
26. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
27. Re: The Plan
28. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
29. Axles
30. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
31. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
32. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
33. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
34. Re: vintage lock cylinders
35. Re: vintage lock cylinders
36. Re: Axles
37. Re: Axles
38. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
39. Re: The Plan
40. Re: The Plan
41. Re: The Plan
42. Re: Classic Airstream Club?
43. Re: The Plan
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Message Number: 1
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Re; I Quit
Message Number: 11 Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:54:57 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: Re: I quit!
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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Each time I take The
Silver Abaltross out something Goes wrong. this last 4
month trip the following 1st a rubber hose that was
used for a repair burst while we were away. people
hunted us up to tell what water wag gushing out othe
underside of the trailer. @nd a little later the bath
sink fawect would not shut off. A quick trip to home
depot in Milwakee fixed that 3rd At a dump station at
a roadside rest in WiS the handle pulled out of the
dump valve. Spent some time at another roadside rest
chilisinf and access to the gate so I ciuld hump it
with a scrwedriver. It dumped in my lap. Thank god I
was parked between 2 semis so I could strip down
before intering the trailer.It was also raining so the
parking lot cleaned its self. 4th one of the sweated
joints in the plumming failed so I had to use the
storage tank the rest of the trip and the pump so as
to keep pressure off the system. 5th The airflow got
blocked to my generator and I cooked the diesel motor.
Why do I keep beating my head against abrick wall?
because it feels so good when I quit. O ne day I will
have a trouble free trip.(meby when they are taking my
ashes to the VA cemetary. Jim Smith 1965 Tradewind(the
Silver Abaltross) 1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Message Number: 2
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:37:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Wayne A. Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I Quit
Great Job Folks!
I've been a list member for nearly 4 years now. This
has been one of the best response to an Airstreamer in
trouble I've seen yet. No real technical stuff, just a
concern for the psychological well being of a member
under stress.
I'm proud to be a VACer!
Wayne A. Moore
3rd Vice President
Membership Chairman
WBCCI/VAC 15116
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Message Number: 3
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 20:39:53 -0400
From: Daisy Welch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argosy Models
speaking of Argosies, one of the gobernatorial candidates for the
commonwealth of Massachusetts, Robert Reich, is driving around in a
fixed up Argosy Motor home.
Daisy
Charlie/Betty Burke wrote:
>
> The Argosy production run was in two groups. The more familiar round style was
> built from 1972 (as a 73 model) until 1979. Both a motorhome and travel trailer
> were built during this time under the Argosy name. There are some possible 80's
> models of the round style. The 1979 model year was the changeover year for the
> motorhome. That year Airstream built 3 versions, the last of the Argosy's, a
> painted Airstream and an Airstream "silver bullet".
> The second run started as a 1986 model. It was the first of the square built
> coaches. It was a metal skinned coach with a mustard and black color scheme. It
> was also built in 1987. In 1988 Airstream changed to a composite fiberglass wall
> construction, changed the color to gray and called it an "Airstream". Thus was
> born the infamous "Squarestream". The club at the time had a fit. After the 1989
> model year Airstream changed the name to Landyacht and continued to build them
> into 1992. The 1988-89 time frame was also Airstream's first experiment with
> fifth wheels.
>
> Charlie
>
> "Kevin D. Allen" wrote:
>
> > Greetings Bob!
> >
> > In its short history, Argosy had several distinct models. Probably the most
> > familiar is the trailer that looks like a painted Airstream, and was built
> > from 1973 through the end of Argosy production. Motorhomes (also with the
> > streamlined classic Airstream shape) were also produced under the Argosy
> > banner, but I am not certain of the precise beginning and ending dates for
> > the motorhomes. Toward the end of the make's existence, I believe that
> > there were a few "square" Argosys built just prior to the introduction or in
> > conjunction with the introduction/production of the "square-stream" trailers
> > in the Airstream line.
> >
> > Kevin Allen
> > WBCCI/VAC #6359
> > 1964 Airstream Overlander International/1999 GMC K2500 Suburban
> > 1978 Argosy Minuet/1975 Cadillac Eldorado Convertible (Towcar in Training)
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: My Airstream <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Multiple recipients of VACList <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 3:06 PM
> > Subject: [VAC] Re: Fuse Block - Dashboard Heater
> >
> > > Off topic. I saw a picture of a 77 Argosy recently and it didn't look
> > like
> > > an RV. Did they make both RV models and travel trailers. Also what do
> > you
> > > think your 77 Argosy is worth. Sorry to distract.
> > >
> > > Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
> > > 66 Airstream Safari
> > > Mira Mar Mobile Park
> > > Oceanside, CA
> >
> > To unsubscribe or change to a daily Digest format, please go to
> > http://airstream.net/vaclist/listoffice.html
> >
> > When replying to a message, please delete all unnecessary original text
> >
> >
>
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>
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>
>
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Message Number: 4
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 18:54:13 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Old NL
Hi Pearl,
I received the newsletters today, so will get cracking on scanning them.
Hope your toe is getting better. Maybe a can put together a short trip to
Cottonwood Cove to meet you. We will be going to ABQ for the Region XI
Rally earlier that month.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 5
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:15:55 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fantastic Fan installation questions
Dave wrote:
> After going through the archives, there seems to be two camps as far as
> installation of the Fantastic Fans goes. One uses Vulcum on the outer
> gasket and flange, the other uses no Vulcum on the gasket & flange and only
> seals the flange edge and screw heads after installation.
>
> I would like to hear from of the "no Vulcum" folks to see if they have
> experienced any leaks or problems.
>
> Should I use stainless steel screws?
I was told emphatically to use the foam gasket and to let it sit a couple of
days after installation before applying the Vulkem. The purpose of waiting
was to let the little air bubbles out of the foam. The closed cell foam is
actually very water proof all by itself. After waiting I applied a fillet
of Vulcem large enough to adhere to the side of the plastic flange and the
top of the trailer. Where the foam had squeezed out I trimmed it before
applying the Vulkem. I also covered the top of each screw with Vulcem.
This appears to be working fine.
One reason to not use Vulcem between the flange and the trailer is that
someone may have to remove or replace that fan some day and it may be you.
Vulcem is so tenacious that using it to bond the two parts could result in a
real difficult removal.
I used stainless steel screws.
Incidentally the trim I got initially was flat and did not fit the contour
of the ceiling of the Airstream. I had ordered Airstream trim and they
shipped the correct trim to me Fed Ex. There is definitely a difference.
Good luck with your installations.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 6
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:29:51 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Fantastic Fan Installation Questions
Dave wrote:
>
> Any other tips/hints or pointers?
Before you do any new wiring check to see if the openings were pre-wired for
12 volts. Mine was which saved me some work.
If you are replacing something with either or both fans you may find that
some of the holes in the flange line up with old holes and the old holes are
too large for the screws that seat properly in the fan. I was able to use
little bolts of the appropriate size by bending down the interior of the
trailer enought to get the nuts on using a needle nose vice grips. I lined
up the nuts while my wife turned the bolts from above.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 7
Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 22:41:40 -0500
From: Dick and Kris Parins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: I quit
Tim wrote:
>
> I give up...
I gave up yesterday too. My second leak flooded the rear end while I was
testing my repairs to the first leak. I took today off (except for a trip
to the hardware store) but tomorrow I'll be back at it.
Hang in there Tim. And thanks to everyone for the words of encouragement.
Dick
'62 Bambi
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Message Number: 8
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:38:56 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: VAC DVD showing axle replacement?
Hi All,
Recently I read a post that informed that a DVD was available that pictured,
among other things, replacement of the Dura Torque axles.
I'd really appreciate getting the reference again as I found that I must
replace both axles on the '74 Argosy. Most likely I'll find that the '69
Safari needs a replacement axle also.
Regards,
Joy
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Message Number: 9
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:39:34 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Construction differences '74 Argosy - '69 Safari
Hi All,
Replacement of both the bathroom floor and much of the floor up front of
the '69 Safari gave me insight into how the unit was constructed. Both
front and rear have angle iron that extends upward inside the monocoque and
is held with several rows of rivets. The base of the angle iron bends to
the inside of the monocoque and immediately under the aluminum "U" base of
the monocoque and above the 3/4 inch thick floor. The sandwich Aluminum
"U", angle iron, flooring, and frame is pinched together with what appears
to be special rivets. The bolts that are visible along the same joint are
only holding the floor to the frame. This is the only area where the
monocoque is attached directly to the frame. Only the floor is bolted to
the ends of the outriggers. The monocoque base is sheet metal screwed to
the floor in all other areas.
Different years may have used different means of attaching the monocoque in
the front and rear to the frame. For those working on a '69 Safari, this
construction makes replacement of floor section very difficult for the front
and rear. And easy for all other areas.
The '74 Argosy uses a different hold down system. The 1/8 inch steel plate
is still riveted to the inside of the monocoque up front with two rows of
rivets. However, the plate extends straight down to the bottom of the "A"
frame rails and is welded in place. The 1/2 inch floor under the front
monocoque is easily removed and replaced as only sheet metal screws hold it
in place. There are other self tapping bolts through the frame to hold the
floor in place prior to installation of the shell; however, these are well
inside the monocoque perimeter.
The rear of the '74 Argosy does not have a steel angle or other metal
fastening. I haven't opened all of the floor to replace the rot; however,
the rear seems to be held in position with a bolt through the monocoque base
and into the frame rail.
The floor is clinched between the base of the monocoque and the ends of the
outrigger with bolts, unlike the '69 Safari. Yet, sheet metal screws are
still used along the perimeter to hold the floor against the base of the
monocoque.
Again, this makes replacement of the floor much simpler than with the Safari
where the sandwich is riveted together.
I still find it necessary to open the inner skin of the monocoque to gain
access to the fasteners while replacing floor sections. Unless this is
done, the base of the monocoque is free to move about.
The construction I found on the '74 Argosy might be similar to Airstream
after '69?
Hope this information aids someone's restoration project.
'69 Safari, '74 Argosy, Joy
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Message Number: 10
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 07:40:00 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Micky's gate to the monocoque?
Hi All,
While replacing rotted floor in both the '74 Argosy and the '69 Safari, I
noticed that section where the ends are joined to the main body typically
leaves a gap in the channel at the base of the monocoque. This also happens
to be a typical area for floor rot. As soon as the floor rots out, it
becomes a gateway into the monocoque. This applies to both front and rear
of the trailer. Once I opened the inner skin, the mice pathways were
obvious.
Using penetrating epoxy won't close the gate. If the rodents can get inside
the belly of the trailer, they are in the monocoque and have access to the
whole trailer to do their thing.
Seems like a great idea to open the inner aluminum and block this pathway
with an aluminum sheet.
Another access point is where the wiring is routed up through the base
aluminum channel of the monocoque. The '74 Argosy has this opening just
inside the streetside of the "A" frame. The '69 Safari has this opening
outside the "A" frame on the curbside. Haven't decided how to block
access. Is there something that mice and rats will avoid that I put around
this access point - like maybe a stainless scouring pad to keep the mice
from trashing the wiring?
'69 Safari
'74 Argosy
Joy
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Message Number: 11
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:17:42 -0400
From: "Carl White" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 1967
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Message Number: 12
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:50:23 -0400
From: "Mr. Joy H. Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 1967
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Hi Carl,
Just a shot in the dark! :) Check one of the overhead lamps as my '69 =
Safari has a two-way switch in that location. Makes it nice when =
entering the trailer at night. Just flip the switch and there is light!
'69 Safari, Joy
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Subject: [VAC] 1967
Just purchased a 1967 Tradewind, has no outside light but, has a togle =
switch about the door inside. Anyone know what it is for?=20
Carl
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Message Number: 13
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:02:21 -0700
From: "chyde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: vintage lock cylinders
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Greetings all,
I'm in the process of restoring the door handle on our 59 Ambassador =
International. I just ran into some interesting information that may be =
of interest to some of you. The door handle looks something like an old =
fridge handle standing on end. It was made by Bargman. I took the handle =
down to a locksmith to see what he could do about the very worn =
cylinder. Turns out that the cylinder is identical to what was used by =
Ford on mid fifties ignition switches. It is known as a "Hurd" cylinder. =
The cylinders changed slightly in the late fifties and didn't include =
the little cam which fits in the lock plate. The earlier ones did have =
the cam. He didn't have one in stock but figured it would only take a =
couple of days.
Colin Hyde
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Message Number: 14
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 08:49:05 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: VAC DVD showing axle replacement?
The DVD, available from Linda Moore, is the one with the Airstream Caravans,
and has a short segment showing the _construction_ of the Dura-Torque axle.
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 15
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:23:02 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Argosy Models
This is good information, Charlie. Answers some questions I have had.
You said 1979 was a change over year and that Airstream built three models
of the motor home -- the usual Argosy, a painted Airstream and the classic
silver bullet Airstream. Can you describe the painted Airstream further? Was
it a painted round style like the Argosy only called an Airstream? I have
never heard about a painted Airstream other than one the owner had painted
aftermarket. I don't think there could have been many "painted bullets"
unless they were painted silver and were pretty much indistinguishable from
the aluminum bullets. Any idea how many could have been manufactured?
Airstream production records seem to be either strictly proprietary or
strangely unavailable.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie/Betty Burke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 03, 2002 23:08
Subject: [VAC] Re: Argosy Models
> The Argosy production run was in two groups. The more familiar round style
was
> built from 1972 (as a 73 model) until 1979. Both a motorhome and travel
trailer
> were built during this time under the Argosy name. There are some possible
80's
> models of the round style. The 1979 model year was the changeover year for
the
> motorhome. That year Airstream built 3 versions, the last of the Argosy's,
a
> painted Airstream and an Airstream "silver bullet".
> The second run started as a 1986 model. It was the first of the square
built
> coaches. It was a metal skinned coach with a mustard and black color
scheme. It
> was also built in 1987. In 1988 Airstream changed to a composite
fiberglass wall
> construction, changed the color to gray and called it an "Airstream". Thus
was
> born the infamous "Squarestream". The club at the time had a fit. After
the 1989
> model year Airstream changed the name to Landyacht and continued to build
them
> into 1992. The 1988-89 time frame was also Airstream's first experiment
with
> fifth wheels.
>
> Charlie
>
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Message Number: 16
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 09:46:48 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: The Plan
In the beginning there was The Plan.
Buy an older airstream for cheap, work on it adding new appliances as
needed. New floors, upholstry, etc...
Take the family on a few trips to see if the life style is for us. If not,
sell the trailer with the upgrades for the same I have put into it (minus
the labor). After just two trips, I still don't know. The second trip was
better than the first.
Now I am at a crossroad. Including purchase price and repairs I have $6000
into my '71 Safari. As many of you know I have pumbing problems probably
need to totally redue it all with PEX. A new water heater and new furnace
is in my future as well as new tires and an awning.
If I keep putting money into this, my original plan of being able to break
even later will go the way side. I figured $6000 was my break even point
as I maybe able to sell for that, but not more. Also, if I keep doing the
listed repairs, how do I know in six months something major like the axles
won't go out?
Argh!
How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
costs?
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 17
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 12:51:55 -0500
From: "Don Hardman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Or, you could have bought a brand new SOB for $12,000 to $15,000 and in a
short time it would probably be worth less than your Airstream. You can't
look at the A/S as an investment, but more as a hobby. I stopped counting
how much I have in my 1976 Sovereign and how much it might be worth a long
time ago, but as far as I am concerned to me its priceless.
Here is what I tell my wife when I want to spent more money on the
Airstream. She says "what are going to do now and how much will it cost"?
"oh just a minor little job probably won't cost more than $50 to $60".
Well she probably doesn't believe me but at least she does not stop me.
Here is my rule of thumb as for as the price I tell her.
$50 to $60 = $100 to $150
$60 to $120 = $200 to $300
Over $120 = I never tell her anything will cost more than $120.
I have always said you don't buy these trailers, you rescue them and bring
them back to what they should be. When you do this they will serve you well
for years to come.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 11:46 AM
Subject: [VAC] The Plan
> In the beginning there was The Plan.
>
> Buy an older airstream for cheap, work on it adding new appliances as
> needed. New floors, upholstry, etc...
>
> Take the family on a few trips to see if the life style is for us. If
not,
> sell the trailer with the upgrades for the same I have put into it (minus
> the labor). After just two trips, I still don't know. The second trip
was
> better than the first.
>
> Now I am at a crossroad. Including purchase price and repairs I have
$6000
> into my '71 Safari. As many of you know I have pumbing problems probably
> need to totally redue it all with PEX. A new water heater and new furnace
> is in my future as well as new tires and an awning.
>
> If I keep putting money into this, my original plan of being able to break
> even later will go the way side. I figured $6000 was my break even point
> as I maybe able to sell for that, but not more. Also, if I keep doing the
> listed repairs, how do I know in six months something major like the axles
> won't go out?
>
> Argh!
>
> How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
> costs?
>
> -Tim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> eFax (508) 590-0302
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Message Number: 18
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:41:19 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Tim Shepard wrote:
"How do you guys deal this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the costs?"
Yep, that's about it.
I paid $5,400 for my '75 31' Sovereign, and have put nearly $5,000 more into
it for repairs and upgrades. It's now in great shape, but I'll never
believe the costs are gone.
Before I bought it, I looked at SOB's, not nearly as good as an A/S, that
would have cost me close to $20K. I still have a lot of spending room left,
:-)
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 19
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 10:45:06 -0700
From: "Roger Hightower" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Old Newsletters
For all those who wanted the Newsletters from Pearl:
I received them yesterday, and yes, they are a complete set. It's going to
be a chore to scan them all and put them on a CD.
BUT, if you are a VAC member and have the password, you can go to the Member
area of the website (http://www.airstream.net) and you'll find all the NL's
in PDF format.
Think I'll hold off on the scanning until I get some comments.
Roger
Roger Hightower
WBCCI 4165, VAC, TCT
1975 31' Sovereign, '02 F-250 PSD
Mesa, AZ
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Message Number: 20
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:50:19 -0400
From: "David W. Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Classic Airstream Club?
Just received the latest "Blue Beret".
In it was a mention that the "Classic Airstream Club" is going to become
part of the WBCCI, and will be considered a new IntraClub.
What is the "Classic Airstream Club"? How will it differ from the VAC?
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 21
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:53:24 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Restoring "Classic" Airstreams is like restoring "Classic" cars. Only do it
if you enjoy (and can afford) it, because 99% of the time you will never
get the money you spent on it back, not to mention the labor.
Dave
At 09:46 AM 9/5/2002 -0700, you wrote:
>In the beginning there was The Plan.
>
>Buy an older airstream for cheap, work on it adding new appliances as
>needed. New floors, upholstry, etc...
>
>Take the family on a few trips to see if the life style is for us. If not,
>sell the trailer with the upgrades for the same I have put into it (minus
>the labor). After just two trips, I still don't know. The second trip was
>better than the first.
>
>Now I am at a crossroad. Including purchase price and repairs I have $6000
>into my '71 Safari. As many of you know I have pumbing problems probably
>need to totally redue it all with PEX. A new water heater and new furnace
>is in my future as well as new tires and an awning.
>
>If I keep putting money into this, my original plan of being able to break
>even later will go the way side. I figured $6000 was my break even point
>as I maybe able to sell for that, but not more. Also, if I keep doing the
>listed repairs, how do I know in six months something major like the axles
>won't go out?
>
>Argh!
>
>How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
>costs?
>
>-Tim
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>eFax (508) 590-0302
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1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 22
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:05:36 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
At 09:46 AM 9/5/02 -0700, you wrote:
>
>
>Argh!
>
>How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
>costs?
>
>
With my eyes closed....after all we are having fun, right?
I've had my '59 for about 4 years now. Yeah there was additional major
expense - carpet, refrig, potty, some re-plumbing, polishing, awning and
other things I have long forgotten - but since then all I do is upkeep and
maintenance - minimal expense.
I'm just getting started with my '75. It needs new axles, some floor
repairs, new vent, new tanks, tambour repairs, weather seals, upholstery,
awning, window coverings etc etc. With the exception of the axles, fairly
minor expenses. I'm able to use as is and I expect the refrig and a/c to
quit at some point. The point is I can spread this out over time, and I
will have a great trailer at the fraction of the cost of a new one. Will I
recover my investment? - probably not - but at least I'm keeping the
economy going and I do enjoy camping in it.
Appliances will go out and I would plan for that. Axles on the other hand
are either good or bad. If they are good, they will be good for a long
long time. If they are bad, you probably need to replace before you travel
with it a whole lot.
If I were you I would make a list of everything it needs, put numbers to it
and decide if its how you want to spend your money. Once something is
fixed it lasts a long time if taken care of. Plumbing by the way is cheap.
Water heater not too bad. Axles are a major expense and I would replace
only if you plan to keep the trailer a long time.
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
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Message Number: 23
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 12:11:12 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Old Newsletters
Roger
I have to admit I been wondering why you were going to scan the
newsletters, when they were already available....
I've copied all of them, so I have a complete set stored in this ol computer.
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
>Think I'll hold off on the scanning until I get some comments.
>
>
>
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Message Number: 24
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 14:25:15 -0400
From: "Phil Renner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Sounds familair.
My plan: Fall of last year. Buy an Airstream (63' Overlander) on ebay
(basically sight unseen) for cheap, while trusting in dumb luck.
Have local mechanic replace tires, check brakes, axle, etc.
Pick it up (400 miles)
Strip out all interior in order to patch floor. (Over the winter)
Patch Floor, strip ugly paint off walls and woodwork, refinish and repaint,
replace stove, repair fridge (lucky, lucky), install wood floor covering,
re-install cabinetry, find plumbing leak, un-install cabinetry, repair leak
(holy cow, what a pain), re-install cabinetry, replace mattresses and
textiles. (Winter and spring 02)
Total time spent: maybe 200 hours. Downside: my house needs painting,
carpets need cleaning, my yard looks like h*ll, and I haven't washed a car
in a year. Oh well.
Take camping/trip during summer. Total 6 weekend trips, family loves it.
To do: Polish, polish, polish, polish.
I stopped keeping track of costs, I don't want to know, although I doubt
it's over $4,000 (maybe 4,500) and maybe $750 on tow vehicle. But what's the
alternative? A 1985 Lawson?? No way.
Sometimes I just go out to the driveway and sit in the Airstream. Relax.
Phil Renner
63' Overlander
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Message Number: 25
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 11:30:11 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Appliances will go out and I would plan for that. Axles on the other hand
> are either good or bad. If they are good, they will be good for a long
> long time. If they are bad, you probably need to replace before you
travel
> with it a whole lot.
How do you know if your axels are bad?
-Tim
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Message Number: 26
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:09:03 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Some more info....
Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first to
receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
Dave
_________________________________________________________________
Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
WBCCI: 5074
1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 27
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:14:24 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
>How do you know if your axels are bad?
Look at the arms between the axle and hub. If they are level or slanted
down your OK, if the arm is slanted up (hub higher than axle) probably
should be replaced. Little debate about this last week on this list -
someone called Airstream and they say an upward slant of 5 degrees is OK.
The axle manufacturer evidentally says anything below level is not good.
Don't be surprised if yours needs to be replaced - everytime I get near a
trailer I look at the axles and it seems a good percentage of the older
ones I've seen need to be replaced.
Mine have a slight slant up and so next spring they will get replaced.
Looks easy, just four bolts + brakes, wheel bearings etc.
Ken Johansen
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Message Number: 28
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 13:38:11 -0600
From: "Fred Coldwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Dave:
I don't suppose anyone defined a "Classic Airstream" or
described how one differs from a Vintage Airstream, did
they? Could they be Airstream-built trailers less than 25
years old?
Fred Coldwell
Dave Lowrey wrote:
>
> Some more info....
>
> Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first to
> receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
>
> Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
> and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
> "Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
> WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
> members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
>
> Dave
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
> WBCCI: 5074
>
> 1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
> Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 29
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:31:17 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Axles
To all.
Axles don't go bad, the rubber rods do. Basically the axles from mid 1974 on
back
are the problems.
The test is as follows.
1. Level the empty trailer.
2. Check the torsion arms. If they are parallel to the chassis, then they are
very borderline.
3. If the torsion arm goes upwards, at all, it's bad.
4. Repeat the checks with the trailer loaded.
5. Again, if the torsion arms go upwards, at all, it's bad.
6. There is a built in stop that limits the torsion arm travel. When the stop
is hit (from a bump) the trailer bottoms out, as there is no suspension left.
That's when the trouble really starts. Fatigue cracking of the shell and/or
frame as well as permanent distortion of the shell can take place, as well as
many other things.
6. Since mid 1974, the axle rubber rod failures are almost non existent,
unless the coach has been grossly overloaded for an extended period of time.
7. For complete information, please go to our web site, inlandrv.com and
click on articles. Then click on Dura-torque axles. That article explains
what the axle is, how it is made, how and why it works the way it does, and
how to check it out.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 30
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:55:23 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
Dave
At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Some more info....
>
>Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
>to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
>
>Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
>and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
>"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
>WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
>members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>WBCCI: 5074
>
>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
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Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 31
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:55:23 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
Dave
At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Some more info....
>
>Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
>to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
>
>Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
>and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
>"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
>WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
>members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>WBCCI: 5074
>
>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
>
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1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 32
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:55:23 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
Dave
At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Some more info....
>
>Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
>to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
>
>Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
>and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
>"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
>WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
>members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>WBCCI: 5074
>
>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>Cincinnati, Ohio
>
>
>
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1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
Cincinnati, Ohio
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Message Number: 33
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 16:55:23 -0400
From: Dave Lowrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
Dave
At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Some more info....
>
>Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
>to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins *
>
>Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive Committee
>and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page 7):
>"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
>WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
>members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>
>_________________________________________________________________
>Dave & Ann Lowrey - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>WBCCI: 5074
>
>1977 31' Sovereign International (center bath)
>Cincinnati, Ohio
>
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Message Number: 34
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 17:11:22 -0400
From: Terry Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: vintage lock cylinders
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on 09/05/02 2:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Greetings all,
I'm in the process of restoring the door handle on our 59 Ambassador
International. I just ran into some interesting information that may be of
interest to some of you. The door handle looks something like an old fridge
handle standing on end. It was made by Bargman. I took the handle down to a
locksmith to see what he could do about the very worn cylinder. Turns out
that the cylinder is identical to what was used by Ford on mid fifties
ignition switches. It is known as a "Hurd" cylinder. The cylinders changed
slightly in the late fifties and didn't include the little cam which fits in
the lock plate. The earlier ones did have the cam. He didn't have one in
stock but figured it would only take a couple of days.
Colin Hyde
Way to go Colin, that's an excellent piece of information. Sometimes, we get
lucky and don't even see it coming. Terry
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handle on our 59 Ambassador International. I just ran into some interesting =
information that may be of interest to some of you. The door handle looks so=
mething like an old fridge handle standing on end. It was made by Bargman. I=
took the handle down to a locksmith to see what he could do about the very =
worn cylinder. Turns out that the cylinder is identical to what was used by =
Ford on mid fifties ignition switches. It is known as a "Hurd" cyl=
inder. The cylinders changed slightly in the late fifties and didn't include=
the little cam which fits in the lock plate. The earlier ones did have the =
cam. He didn't have one in stock but figured it would only take a coup=
le of days.<BR>
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Message Number: 35
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:23:07 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: vintage lock cylinders
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When I bought my house I was having the tumblers chainged in the house I ask
the locksmithto look at the lock on my 65 tradewind to see what he could do
he changed the tumblers so that my house key would work in the trailer. that
mite be a possibility for others.
Jum Smith !965Tradewind(The Silver Abaltross)
1992 Dodge Cummins Diesel
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Message Number: 36
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 15:58:13 -0600
From: "Kenneth E. Johansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Axles
>Since mid 1974, the axle rubber rod failures are almost non existent,
>unless the coach has been grossly overloaded for an extended period of time.
Andy
Hmmm mine was built 8/74. It has been used three times since early 80's -
could that have the old axles, or could sitting a long time in one spot
cause them to sag?
Ken Johansen
5358
59 Traveler
75 Tradewind
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Message Number: 37
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 18:07:26 EDT
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Axles
Ken.
Anything can happen. Best way to know is to check them out. Either way, you
will have peace of mind and not have to wonder.
Andy
inlandrv.com
airstreamparts.com
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Message Number: 38
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:57:46 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI apparently. Another way
would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call them WBCCI
members. No doubt others could think of even bigger membership gains.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
VAC
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 16:55
Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
> Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
> http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
>
> Dave
>
> At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> >Some more info....
> >
> >Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
> >to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins
*
> >
> >Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive
Committee
> >and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page
7):
> >"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
> >WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
> >members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
> >
> >Dave
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Message Number: 39
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 15:54:51 -0600
From: "Terry O'Neill" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Well if nothing else our vintage Airstreams force us to be resourceful. We
were out In the Rockies last weekend with 5 other families.(1 family of
friends and 4 of their friends)
Our group consisted of a 31 foot Winnebago Motorhome, 2 pop-up, a new 5th
wheel, a VW Westfalia and our '66 TradeWind.
As each new member of the group arrived the first thing they asked was who
owned the Airstream and could they have a tour? Everyone had a story of a
childhood memory of a relatives Airstream or seeing a caravan on the road. I
was proud as a peacock. Words that kept coming up were "classic" "art"
"quality" "functional" "neat" and so on.
At one point when we had a rainy cold afternoon we had 7 kids sitting on our
front bed watching a movie (DVD) on my laptop.
Of course I did spend some of my weekend fixing leaking hoses etc but that
is part of my "plan "
I paid $3700 Canadian (about $2300 U.S.) a year ago and have added tires, a
furnace and numerous small items since. I will need to replace my axles
before next season, change flooring and polish. I already have my Cyclo
polisher.
A few weeks ago I took the plunge and bought an interior for a '66 TradeWind
off ebay. I need the stove but it will also give me a spare fridge, toilet,
sinks, shower, taps, and miscellaneous hinges, lights etc. It was $200 +
shipping but I figure these will come in handy down the road.
I may not own this Airstream forever but I can't see myself letting it go
unless a better one came along.
Take Care
Terry O'Neill
Calgary
66 Trade-Wind Double
WBCCI 4786
VAC
http://pages.sprint.ca/Streamsite/main.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 10:46 AM
Subject: [VAC] The Plan
> In the beginning there was The Plan.
>
> Buy an older airstream for cheap, work on it adding new appliances as
> needed. New floors, upholstry, etc...
>
> Take the family on a few trips to see if the life style is for us. If
not,
> sell the trailer with the upgrades for the same I have put into it (minus
> the labor). After just two trips, I still don't know. The second trip
was
> better than the first.
>
> Now I am at a crossroad. Including purchase price and repairs I have
$6000
> into my '71 Safari. As many of you know I have pumbing problems probably
> need to totally redue it all with PEX. A new water heater and new furnace
> is in my future as well as new tires and an awning.
>
> If I keep putting money into this, my original plan of being able to break
> even later will go the way side. I figured $6000 was my break even point
> as I maybe able to sell for that, but not more. Also, if I keep doing the
> listed repairs, how do I know in six months something major like the axles
> won't go out?
>
> Argh!
>
> How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
> costs?
>
> -Tim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
> eFax (508) 590-0302
>
>
>
>
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Message Number: 40
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 17:39:17 -0400
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
Tim, I discovered that you can buy a trailer that is in excellent condition,
everything already replaced and working for less money than you can take a
fixer upper and bring it to that same condition. Wish I had known it before
taking on a fixer upper. But then I would have missed all the fun of doing
it myself.
Jim Greene
' 68 Tradewind
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 12:46
Subject: [VAC] The Plan
> In the beginning there was The Plan.
>
> Buy an older airstream for cheap, work on it adding new appliances as
> needed. New floors, upholstry, etc...
>
> Take the family on a few trips to see if the life style is for us. If
not,
> sell the trailer with the upgrades for the same I have put into it (minus
> the labor). After just two trips, I still don't know. The second trip
was
> better than the first.
>
> Now I am at a crossroad. Including purchase price and repairs I have
$6000
> into my '71 Safari. As many of you know I have pumbing problems probably
> need to totally redue it all with PEX. A new water heater and new furnace
> is in my future as well as new tires and an awning.
>
> If I keep putting money into this, my original plan of being able to break
> even later will go the way side. I figured $6000 was my break even point
> as I maybe able to sell for that, but not more. Also, if I keep doing the
> listed repairs, how do I know in six months something major like the axles
> won't go out?
>
> Argh!
>
> How do you guys deal this this? Just keep up repairs and be dammed the
> costs?
>
> -Tim
>
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Message Number: 41
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:13:55 -0700
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
I have learned the same thing. But now I am in too deep ;-)
It's not all that bad though. At least I'll know I got good stuff and it
was put in right !
-Tim
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
eFax (508) 590-0302
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:39 PM
Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan
> Tim, I discovered that you can buy a trailer that is in excellent
condition,
> everything already replaced and working for less money than you can take a
> fixer upper and bring it to that same condition. Wish I had known it
before
> taking on a fixer upper. But then I would have missed all the fun of doing
> it myself.
------------------------------
Message Number: 42
Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 18:46:07 -0500
From: Herb Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Classic Airstream Club?
It is the Classic Caravan Club
http://geocities.com/classiccaravanclub/
that operated as a separate club up to now. They will vote on the proposal at
their November meeting. They are good folks having fun with their Airstreams and
wanted to be part of the WBCCI and enjoy the benefits of this family of clubs.
James Greene wrote:
> Anything to boost the membership numbers in WBCCI apparently. Another way
> would be to make the Good Sam Club an intra club and call them WBCCI
> members. No doubt others could think of even bigger membership gains.
>
> Jim Greene
> ' 68 Tradewind
> VAC
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Lowrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 16:55
> Subject: [VAC] Re: Classic Airstream Club?
>
> > Maybe they meant the "Classic Caravan Club":
> > http://www.geocities.com/ClassicCaravanClub/
> >
> > Dave
> >
> > At 03:09 PM 9/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Some more info....
> > >
> > >Since I live in Ohio, I guess I have the honor of being one of the first
> > >to receive the latest issues of the Blue Beret. Such an honor... * grins
> *
> > >
> > >Anyways, in the latest issue (September 2002), in the "Executive
> Committee
> > >and International Board of Trustees Meeting" minutes, it says (on page
> 7):
> > >"Motion 2 - Upon unincorporation, the Classic Airstream Club will join
> > >WBCCI as an Intraclub with all the rights and privileges as such. All the
> > >members of the Intraclub will be members of WBCCI"
> > >
> > >Dave
>
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Message Number: 43
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 16:51:45 -0700
From: "My Airstream" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Plan
I think before you embark on an Airstream restoration you've got to ask
yourself, "why am I doing this?" If the answer is to capitalize on your
investment, then your probably embarking on a no/win situation. If you
enjoy project work and are good with your hands than Airstream restoration
can be the perfect hobby to keep you content and do something that can
enhance your lifestyle.
There's an old saying that you can have whatever you want FAST, GOOD, CHEAP
. . . pick any TWO!
Bob Kiger http://cruiserbob.com
66 Airstream Safari
Mira Mar Mobile Park
Oceanside, CA
From: "Tim Shephard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan
> I have learned the same thing. But now I am in too deep ;-)
>
> It's not all that bad though. At least I'll know I got good stuff and it
> was put in right !
>
> -Tim
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.telecom-pros.com/tim/tim
> eFax (508) 590-0302
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Greene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Multiple recipients of VACList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 2:39 PM
> Subject: [VAC] Re: The Plan
>
>
> > Tim, I discovered that you can buy a trailer that is in excellent
> condition,
> > everything already replaced and working for less money than you can take
a
> > fixer upper and bring it to that same condition. Wish I had known it
> before
> > taking on a fixer upper. But then I would have missed all the fun of
doing
> > it myself.
>
>
>
>
>
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