Sure, now seems the right time.  Or sometime soon.

On 9/15/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 9/15/06, Will Glass-Husain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd forgotten that.  For the record, I think my prediction was that
> Henning would become an ASF officer sometime in the next year or two,
> which as VP of Velocity he will be.
>
> Anyway, the plan sounds great.  We probably need a formal vote at some
> point.  When is that?  Nathan, I'll let you call for it at the right
> stage.

how should i know what the right stage is? :)  i think the proposal is
sound.  is now the right time?

more importantly, where should the formal vote take place?  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> I suggest we think about (informal) 6 month or 1 year terms and rotate
> among involved committers.  That will allow us to share the workload a
> bit.  My impression this mostly involves reports to the board,
> Velocity advocacy, and general community-building activities.  Not
> that one needs to be a chair to do the last two.
>
> Best,
> WILL
>
> On 9/15/06, Nathan Bubna <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Excellent!  I wouldn't want Will to be wrong. :)
> >
> > I'll update the draft to propose you as our first chair.  Now, since
> > no one has made any other critiques/comments on it, i'm guessing it
> > must be good to go.  What's the next step?  Martin, do you take this
> > to the board for us?
> >
> > On 9/15/06, Henning Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Ah well, why not? It would actually fulfill Wills' prediction from a few
> > > months ago. And as you said "I have no time" is not exactly a valid
> > > excuse around here... :-)
> > >
> > >         Best regards
> > >                 Henning
> > >
> > > Nathan Bubna schrieb:
> > > > Ok, thinking about where i want to put my time here...
> > > >
> > > > With Velocity 1.5 approaching and a Struts 1.3.5 being declared GA
> > > > shortly (as well as all the Struts 2 work), i want to upgrade
> > > > VelocityStruts and try to get a VelocityTools 1.3 out this winter
> > > > (Marino, are you out there? Can you help?)
> > > >
> > > > So, Henning or Will, if either of you are willing to take the first
> > > > stint as Velocity chair; that would free up a lot more time to get
> > > > VelocityTools up to speed.  If you're not, then i'll do it, and we
> > > > might just have to wait a bit longer for VelocityTools 1.3.
> > > >
> > > > Whaddaya think?  Either of you wanna volunteer?  Henning, you started
> > > > this TLP push; wanna take the reins first? :)
> > > >
> > > > On 9/13/06, Henning P. Schmiedehausen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> "Will Glass-Husain" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > > >>
> > > >> >Ha.  Knew you were going to get in trouble for doing the legwork,
> > > >> Nathan.
> > > >>
> > > >> >I'd definitely support that.  Or Henning would be great too.
> > > >>
> > > >> +1
> > > >>
> > > >> If Nathan wants to do it: More power to Nathan!
> > > >>
> > > >>         Best regards
> > > >>                 Henning
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> >If we wanted to rotate it every 6 months, I'd be happy to take a turn.
> > > >> > But maybe a little later rather than being first.
> > > >>
> > > >> >WILL
> > > >>
> > > >> >On 9/11/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >> Hi Nathan,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Looks ok and I would definitely let general know (although you did
> > > >> put this on the wiki). Also it
> > > >> >> would be nice to see a name of the chair. Any chance of your name
> > > >> being there ? (or you could have a
> > > >> >> vote on that)
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Mvgr,
> > > >> >> Martin
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > >> >> > Sorry this took so long...
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/TLPVelocity
> > > >> >> > ====================
> > > >> >> > Establish the Apache Velocity Project
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best 
interests
> > > >> >> > of the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > > >> >> > establish a Project Management Committee charged with the
> > > >> creation and
> > > >> >> > maintenance of open-source software related to the Velocity 
template
> > > >> >> > engine, for distribution at no charge to the public.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management 
Committee
> > > >> >> > (PMC), to be known as the "Velocity PMC", be and hereby is
> > > >> established
> > > >> >> > pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that the Velocity PMC be and hereby is responsible for 
the
> > > >> >> > creation and maintenance of software related to the Velocity
> > > >> template
> > > >> >> > engine; and be it further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Velocity" be and
> > > >> hereby
> > > >> >> > is created, the person holding such office to serve at the 
direction
> > > >> >> > of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Velocity PMC, and to
> > > >> >> > have primary responsibility for management of the projects within
> > > >> the
> > > >> >> > scope of responsibility of the Velocity PMC; and be it further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby
> > > >> are
> > > >> >> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Velocity PMC:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Will Glass-Husain ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Geir Magnusson Jr. ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Daniel L. Rall ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Henning Schmiedehausen ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Nathan Bubna ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >    *
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> >      Marinó A. Jónsson ([MAILTO] [MAILTO] [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that XXXXX be appointed
> > > >> to the
> > > >> >> > office of Vice President, Velocity, to serve in accordance with 
and
> > > >> >> > subject to the direction of the Board of Directors and the Bylaws 
of
> > > >> >> > the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement, removal or
> > > >> >> > disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be it
> > > >> further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that the initial Velocity PMC be and hereby is tasked 
with
> > > >> >> > the creation of a set of bylaws intended to encourage open
> > > >> development
> > > >> >> > and increased participation in the Velocity Project; and be it
> > > >> further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that the initial Velocity PMC be and hereby is tasked 
with
> > > >> >> > the migration and rationalization of the Apache Jakarta Velocity,
> > > >> >> > Velocity Tools and DVSL subprojects; and be it further
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Jakarta
> > > >> Velocity,
> > > >> >> > Velocity Tools, and DVSL subprojects and encumbered upon the 
Apache
> > > >> >> > Jakarta PMC are hereafter discharged.
> > > >> >> > ====================
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > How's it look?  Did i miss anything?  Should we ping
> > > >> >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] to let anyone who wants to join the
> > > >> >> > initial PMC get on board?  Since all Jakarta committers have
> > > >> perms for
> > > >> >> > Velocity now, i don't want to inadvertently exclude anyone who
> > > >> wanted
> > > >> >> > to work on Velocity but hadn't yet.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On 8/31/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> I assume you already saw the proposals on the jakarta wiki (for
> > > >> slide
> > > >> >> >> & testing), so you can use
> > > >> >> >> those as a template :)
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Mvgr,
> > > >> >> >> Martin
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > Yeah, it is.  My apologies.  I ran out of free time with
> > > >> family in
> > > >> >> >> > town and getting my house ready to be painted. :)  I'll try to
> > > >> get
> > > >> >> >> > this moving again by early next week.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > On 8/26/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> Maybe it's time to summarize and create the official proposal 
?
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Mvgr,
> > > >> >> >> >> Martin
> > > >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> Martin van den Bemt wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> > Apologies for totally missing / ignoring / forgetting the 
word
> > > >> >> >> may...
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Mvgr,
> > > >> >> >> >> > Martin
> > > >> >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> >> > Nathan Bubna wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >> On 8/26/06, Martin van den Bemt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >> Huh??   The only related statement of mine was not in my
> > > >> initial
> > > >> >> >> >> >> proposal and is really not far from what you're saying.  I
> > > >> quote
> > > >> >> >> (with
> > > >> >> >> >> >> key words emphasized),
> > > >> >> >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> >> >
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