MeddelandeNick would accept getting paid in root beer.
Buggs
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From: Anthony Spezio
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 8:41 AM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
Nick,
It is a real honor to have you come to the Sowbug, other than have you
stay at our house, we have paid you nothing. You come because you want to and
we have others like you. As I said many times, you tyers is what makes the show.
The show money is used for Scholarships, Environmental projects and
donations to Hooked on a Cure, and other projects like that. This show does not
fatten any ones pocket., maybe that is the reason it is the show that it is. It
is a Tying Show not a vendors show though we do have vendors. We try to have
vendors that sell only tying and fly fishing paraphernalia.
Tony
--- On Sun, 11/1/09, Niclas Runarsson <niclas.runars...@soderhamn.com>
wrote:
From: Niclas Runarsson <niclas.runars...@soderhamn.com>
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Sunday, November 1, 2009, 9:14 AM
Sometimes I sell them myself... not very many though. I don't have
price tags on them and they are readily handed out for free. But if someone
comes with "Can I buy one for X dollars?", then I don't say "No, either you'll
have it for free or you won't be having it." (with exception for children).
I don't think it's something wrong with selling your flies at shows.
As long as he hasn't offered you expenses like (at least) accommondation and
food, I don't think the host for the show has the right to tell you not to
either.
You'll be sitting there as an attraction, HIS attraction. Other
people sell stuff in their booths, but you are a part of the show room. He will
be early with giving out your name, letting people know you'll be there to make
them come to his show... attraction already in text form. People are paying HIM
to see you... you being the only part of the show room he hasn't paid a dime
for himself!!
Silly as it may be, I actually think it's a little annoying to get
his "... and you are welcome to sell your flies too". Not that I plan to do it,
but it sounds like he sees it like doing me a favour. In my opinion: Being
there is my favour to him... and until he has returned that favour, i.e.
offered me to spend the time as a guest and not as a tourist (accomondation and
food), "letting" me sell my flies is not a favour that is his to give.
I can take paying travel expenses. Technically I would say they
should be paid for, though I CAN be realistic too. But accommondation on top of
it... if your only option is to add hotel to your already paid travel expenses,
being a part of the show room can get very expensive.
During the show I did in August I lived in a very luxurious cabin,
much (MUCH) more than I would have asked for. It must have costed a smaller
fortune to rent for a regular tourist, but the host for the show also was the
one running that cabin business, so free for him (but he paid for my $150 train
ticket instead).
In April, in Finland (Tampere ice hall), we were offered to stay
where they hosted the visiting hockey players... same building as the ice hall.
Small rooms, each with eight beds (four bunk beds), and sharing showers.
To me, staying in that simple room was just as good as (btw with only
ONE of the other tyers) staying in that two-floored luxurious cabin... offering
sauna, terrace with an astonishing view over Siljan, huge flat-screen TV,
DVD-player and even a bunch of movies. It's a place to STAY FOR FREE... roof
over your head and room temperature. If I was given the offer, I could probably
even settle with a camping mattress, sleeping in the show room (though I accept
that the security factor makes it impossible for the host to offer this).
As long as the numbers of tyers (like Sowbug) aren't too steep, I
believe: If someone is capable to host a fairly large fair, he is also fully
capable of (if not for free, then at least cheap) arranging something so he can
offer you SOME kind of accomondation too. If not luxurious, then at least
simple. If he doesn't have this to offer you, then I don't think he has cared
to try... and if he hasn't cared to try, then I don't think he appreciates the
tyer's favour to him...
... and then I certainly don't think it's his place to decide whether
or not the tyer should be allowed to sell his flies.
My 2 ¢ worth
... which I also can see as reasonable show expenses. LOL
/Nick
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För Mark Romero
Skickat: den 1 november 2009 04:01
Till: virtual fly box
Ämne: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the
Sowbug......i've sold flies there.
we've done the FFF Internationl every year since 2002 and that's
one place they don't want you to sell your flies..........but most of us who
have a buyer for something at that show.........just do business up in our room
of the hotel........or out in the parking lot.........or in the hotel
lobby..............anywhere but on the showroom floor..........
we've also done the Southern, Southeast, Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf
Coast, Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF Council Conclaves and have never
been asked not to sell............at the East Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo
they just give you a tax form to fill out, and you have to charge tax and give
it to the organizers of the show if you sell..........and they get it to the
state........i guess.
it's also no problem at all the east coast shows.............you
gotta be able to sell, in order to try and defray some of your
expenses...........man it cost a small fortune to do shows all over hell and
back...........one reason we started cuttin' back this year.....sorta,
lol.......and will continue to do so as time goes by.........more and more each
year...........cept for next year...........kinna, lmao...........
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700
From: bighawk...@yahoo.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne
Wilson selling flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the
impression that was not kosher.
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From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com>
To: virtual fly box <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you
might have a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet,
all seated in a row or real close together........and trust me.......even
though they be takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang
good reason they don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame,
they can sell them for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come
over.....you'll have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch
of 'em.
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700
From: bighawk...@yahoo.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit
and learn the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have
their reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really
valuable.
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From: Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com>
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
Could not pass up the low water this morning. Went fishing
and got skunked..
That is the first time getting skunked in years.
I always give away all the files I tie at the tie-in's and at
any shows I do.
Tony
--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [VFB] Out bid.....
To: "virtual fly box" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:55 PM
Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but
i have lots of Seal anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin' high
and higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most" things)....."my name
is bennitt, and i aint in it."
Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for the Tye-IN........was
a lotta fun and some really good food. i gave everything i tyed away to other
tyers.Hope your feelin' ok. First day we had the water down and sunshine, in a
while.......but they turned it back on round noon or earlier............jeeze.
Startin' tomorrow, no more fishin' at the damn until the Browns are done
spawnin'. Oh well.............
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