Sometimes I sell them myself... not very many though. I don't have price tags on them and they are readily handed out for free. But if someone comes with "Can I buy one for X dollars?", then I don't say "No, either you'll have it for free or you won't be having it." (with exception for children). I don't think it's something wrong with selling your flies at shows. As long as he hasn't offered you expenses like (at least) accommondation and food, I don't think the host for the show has the right to tell you not to either. You'll be sitting there as an attraction, HIS attraction. Other people sell stuff in their booths, but you are a part of the show room. He will be early with giving out your name, letting people know you'll be there to make them come to his show... attraction already in text form. People are paying HIM to see you... you being the only part of the show room he hasn't paid a dime for himself!! Silly as it may be, I actually think it's a little annoying to get his "... and you are welcome to sell your flies too". Not that I plan to do it, but it sounds like he sees it like doing me a favour. In my opinion: Being there is my favour to him... and until he has returned that favour, i.e. offered me to spend the time as a guest and not as a tourist (accomondation and food), "letting" me sell my flies is not a favour that is his to give. I can take paying travel expenses. Technically I would say they should be paid for, though I CAN be realistic too. But accommondation on top of it... if your only option is to add hotel to your already paid travel expenses, being a part of the show room can get very expensive. During the show I did in August I lived in a very luxurious cabin, much (MUCH) more than I would have asked for. It must have costed a smaller fortune to rent for a regular tourist, but the host for the show also was the one running that cabin business, so free for him (but he paid for my $150 train ticket instead). In April, in Finland (Tampere ice hall), we were offered to stay where they hosted the visiting hockey players... same building as the ice hall. Small rooms, each with eight beds (four bunk beds), and sharing showers. To me, staying in that simple room was just as good as (btw with only ONE of the other tyers) staying in that two-floored luxurious cabin... offering sauna, terrace with an astonishing view over Siljan, huge flat-screen TV, DVD-player and even a bunch of movies. It's a place to STAY FOR FREE... roof over your head and room temperature. If I was given the offer, I could probably even settle with a camping mattress, sleeping in the show room (though I accept that the security factor makes it impossible for the host to offer this). As long as the numbers of tyers (like Sowbug) aren't too steep, I believe: If someone is capable to host a fairly large fair, he is also fully capable of (if not for free, then at least cheap) arranging something so he can offer you SOME kind of accomondation too. If not luxurious, then at least simple. If he doesn't have this to offer you, then I don't think he has cared to try... and if he hasn't cared to try, then I don't think he appreciates the tyer's favour to him... ... and then I certainly don't think it's his place to decide whether or not the tyer should be allowed to sell his flies. My 2 ¢ worth... which I also can see as reasonable show expenses. LOL
/Nick -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com [mailto:vfb-m...@googlegroups.com] För Mark Romero Skickat: den 1 november 2009 04:01 Till: virtual fly box Ämne: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the Sowbug......i've sold flies there. we've done the FFF Internationl every year since 2002 and that's one place they don't want you to sell your flies..........but most of us who have a buyer for something at that show.........just do business up in our room of the hotel........or out in the parking lot.........or in the hotel lobby..............anywhere but on the showroom floor.......... we've also done the Southern, Southeast, Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf Coast, Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF Council Conclaves and have never been asked not to sell............at the East Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo they just give you a tax form to fill out, and you have to charge tax and give it to the organizers of the show if you sell..........and they get it to the state........i guess. it's also no problem at all the east coast shows.............you gotta be able to sell, in order to try and defray some of your expenses...........man it cost a small fortune to do shows all over hell and back...........one reason we started cuttin' back this year.....sorta, lol.......and will continue to do so as time goes by.........more and more each year...........cept for next year...........kinna, lmao........... <http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/smile_teeth.gif> _____ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne Wilson selling flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the impression that was not kosher. _____ From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you might have a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet, all seated in a row or real close together........and trust me.......even though they be takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang good reason they don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame, they can sell them for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come over.....you'll have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch of 'em. <http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/smile_wink.gif> _____ Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit and learn the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have their reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really valuable. _____ From: Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Could not pass up the low water this morning. Went fishing and got skunked.. That is the first time getting skunked in years. I always give away all the files I tie at the tie-in's and at any shows I do. Tony --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> Subject: [VFB] Out bid..... To: "virtual fly box" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:55 PM Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but i have lots of Seal anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin' high and higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most" things)....."my name is bennitt, and i aint in it." <http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/smile_teeth.gif> Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for the Tye-IN........was a lotta fun and some really good food. i gave everything i tyed away to other tyers.Hope your feelin' ok. <http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/smile_wink.gif> First day we had the water down and sunshine, in a while.......but they turned it back on round noon or earlier............jeeze. <http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/smile_sad.gif> Startin' tomorrow, no more fishin' at the damn until the Browns are done spawnin'. 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