Jeff,
I really want to stay out of this but here are a few things to consider.When I
started the Sowbug, I had allowed that the tyers could sell their flies at
their stations. It was agreed by the committee. Then we decided that there
should be a central place to sell the flies. All tyers that wanted to sell
flies would give the flies to a designated member who would set up a station to
sell their flies. Of course, this became a hassle so the tyers went back to
selling their flies from their stations. At that time we only had a couple of
vendors, some were resorts, not fly tying related. I don't know what the policy
is now about selling at the stations as I am not involved with the policies of
the show anymore. The Sowbug show pays no one to participate, not even the big
names that come. All we do is give all a BBQ on Friday night.
As for selling at the big shows, I had to sell flies in order to participate in
the shows. It would cost me up to 400.00 to do a show back East. That would not
include my materials.
Transportation would be close to 100.00, motel rooms close to 100.00 a night we
would not even get a sandwich for doing the show. What I spent was out of my
pocket so selling flies would make up part of the cost. If I was not there I
could not educate the people on the flies I was tying, so it was selling flies
to do the show or stay at home.
It is a catch 22.
I don't sell flies at the shows I do now though it still costs me money out of
my pocket, the last out of state show this past May cost me 300.00.
You do the Sowbug and it does cost you to come down here and tie at the show.
If it were not for tyers like you, there would not be a show but consideration
has to be given to tyers that might do 10 shows a year. It can add up in
dollars. This is the reason I quit doing the big shows, It was just costing me
too much out of pocket money.
Tony
--- On Sat, 10/31/09, Jeff Frye <bighawk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: Jeff Frye <bighawk...@yahoo.com>
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 11:09 PM
Chuck, I'm saying vendors pay for booths for the privilege of selling at that
show. Not saying they give books away. Of course not. I'm not sure where you
drew that conclusion. I'm saying is it cool for me to sell sandwiches at my
tying station?
From: "chuckalexan...@hughes.net" <chuckalexan...@hughes.net>
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:56:26 PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
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Jeff: i kinda understand the flies. But are you saying the
Wilson's should just GIVE their book away??? I'll tell ya, I have a book
on that same subject about half way (or maybe a little more) finished, and
unlike a fly, on a book you have THOUSANDS of hours put into it. Not to mention
publishing costs which are through the roof. Chuck
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----- Original Message -----
From:
Jeff Frye
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:37
PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
My opinion is that at Sowbug and Conclave, you are providing an
educational experience. I suppose if a person wanted to sell stuff, there are
vendor booths available. If I can sell flies, why can't I sell material and
hooks? It's just a fly that's not assembled yet. I'm not railing on you, just
the idea. Wilson's are not selling anything special anyway. I've got them on
selling their books from the table as well.
From: Mark Romero
<markflie...@hotmail.com>
To: virtual fly box
<vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:00:42
PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out
bid.....
i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the
Sowbug......i've sold flies there.
we've done the FFF
Internationl every year since 2002 and that's one place they don't want you
to
sell your flies..........but most of us who have a buyer for something at
that
show.........just do business up in our room of the hotel........or out in
the
parking lot.........or in the hotel lobby..............anywhere but on the
showroom floor..........
we've also done the Southern, Southeast,
Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf Coast, Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF
Council Conclaves and have never been asked not to sell............at the
East
Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo they just give you a tax form to fill out,
and you have to charge tax and give it to the organizers of the show if you
sell..........and they get it to the state........i guess.
it's
also no problem at all the east coast shows.............you gotta be able to
sell, in order to try and defray some of your expenses...........man it cost
a
small fortune to do shows all over hell and back...........one reason we
started cuttin' back this year.....sorta, lol.......and will continue to do
so
as time goes by.........more and more each year...........cept for next
year...........kinna, lmao...........
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700
From:
bighawk...@yahoo.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To:
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What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne Wilson
selling flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the impression
that was not kosher.
From: Mark Romero
<markflie...@hotmail.com>
To: virtual fly box
<vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02
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Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you might
have
a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet, all seated
in a row or real close together........and trust me.......even though they be
takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang good reason they
don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame, they can sell
them
for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come over.....you'll
have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch of 'em.
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700
From:
bighawk...@yahoo.com
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.....
To:
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I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit and
learn the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have
their reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really
valuable.
From: Anthony Spezio
<bambot...@yahoo.com>
To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44
PM
Subject: [VFB] Re: Out
bid.....
Could not pass up the low
water this morning. Went fishing and got skunked..
That is the first
time getting skunked in years.
I always give away all the files I tie
at the tie-in's and at any shows I do.
Tony
--- On Sat,
10/31/09, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
From: Mark
Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com>
Subject: [VFB] Out
bid.....
To: "virtual fly box"
<vfb-mail@googlegroups.com>
Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009,
3:55 PM
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Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but i have
lots of Seal anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin'
high and higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most"
things)....."my name is bennitt, and i aint in it."
Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for
the Tye-IN........was a lotta fun and some really good food. i gave
everything i tyed away to other tyers.Hope your feelin' ok. First
day we had the water down and sunshine,
in a while.......but they turned it back on round noon or
earlier............jeeze. Startin' tomorrow, no more fishin' at the
damn until the Browns are done spawnin'. Oh well.............
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