Tony, we did 30 events in '08 alone.....this year we're back down to 17, and having just cancelled the last 3 for the year, we end up at 14. It cost us over $5K just to do the show in England this year in Feb./March...........Misa's trip to Scotland/England in June was more than that, as rental car fees for over three weeks were part of the deal.....
We spent over $20K in gas alone in '08. So while it doesn't even cover 10% of our expenses.....we sell every fly, pin, drawing, and anything else we can, at every show we do. And write the rest off.....a creative accountant helps. Anybody space the time change.....put your clocks back an hour. Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 04:35:55 -0800 From: bambot...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid.Now shows.... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Jeff, I really want to stay out of this but here are a few things to consider.When I started the Sowbug, I had allowed that the tyers could sell their flies at their stations. It was agreed by the committee. Then we decided that there should be a central place to sell the flies. All tyers that wanted to sell flies would give the flies to a designated member who would set up a station to sell their flies. Of course, this became a hassle so the tyers went back to selling their flies from their stations. At that time we only had a couple of vendors, some were resorts, not fly tying related. I don't know what the policy is now about selling at the stations as I am not involved with the policies of the show anymore. The Sowbug show pays no one to participate, not even the big names that come. All we do is give all a BBQ on Friday night. As for selling at the big shows, I had to sell flies in order to participate in the shows. It would cost me up to 400.00 to do a show back East. That would not include my materials. Transportation would be close to 100.00, motel rooms close to 100.00 a night we would not even get a sandwich for doing the show. What I spent was out of my pocket so selling flies would make up part of the cost. If I was not there I could not educate the people on the flies I was tying, so it was selling flies to do the show or stay at home. It is a catch 22. I don't sell flies at the shows I do now though it still costs me money out of my pocket, the last out of state show this past May cost me 300.00. You do the Sowbug and it does cost you to come down here and tie at the show. If it were not for tyers like you, there would not be a show but consideration has to be given to tyers that might do 10 shows a year. It can add up in dollars. This is the reason I quit doing the big shows, It was just costing me too much out of pocket money. Tony --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Jeff Frye <bighawk...@yahoo.com> wrote: From: Jeff Frye <bighawk...@yahoo.com> Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 11:09 PM Chuck, I'm saying vendors pay for booths for the privilege of selling at that show. Not saying they give books away. Of course not. I'm not sure where you drew that conclusion. I'm saying is it cool for me to sell sandwiches at my tying station? From: "chuckalexan...@hughes.net" <chuckalexan...@hughes.net> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:56:26 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Jeff: i kinda understand the flies. But are you saying the Wilson's should just GIVE their book away??? I'll tell ya, I have a book on that same subject about half way (or maybe a little more) finished, and unlike a fly, on a book you have THOUSANDS of hours put into it. Not to mention publishing costs which are through the roof. Chuck Please see our fly fishing hand made furled leaders at: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/you_wear_it_well_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_ipgZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Frye To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 9:37 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... My opinion is that at Sowbug and Conclave, you are providing an educational experience. I suppose if a person wanted to sell stuff, there are vendor booths available. If I can sell flies, why can't I sell material and hooks? It's just a fly that's not assembled yet. I'm not railing on you, just the idea. Wilson's are not selling anything special anyway. I've got them on selling their books from the table as well. From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 10:00:42 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... i've never heard of any rule bout not sellin' your flies at the Sowbug......i've sold flies there. we've done the FFF Internationl every year since 2002 and that's one place they don't want you to sell your flies..........but most of us who have a buyer for something at that show.........just do business up in our room of the hotel........or out in the parking lot.........or in the hotel lobby..............anywhere but on the showroom floor.......... we've also done the Southern, Southeast, Great Lakes, Florida, Gulf Coast, Oregon, Washington, and Notheast, FFF Council Conclaves and have never been asked not to sell............at the East Idaho Fly Tying/Fly Fishing Expo they just give you a tax form to fill out, and you have to charge tax and give it to the organizers of the show if you sell..........and they get it to the state........i guess. it's also no problem at all the east coast shows.............you gotta be able to sell, in order to try and defray some of your expenses...........man it cost a small fortune to do shows all over hell and back...........one reason we started cuttin' back this year.....sorta, lol.......and will continue to do so as time goes by.........more and more each year...........cept for next year...........kinna, lmao........... Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 18:10:55 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com What really cheesed me off was when I found Terry and Roxanne Wilson selling flies from their demo station at Sowbug. I was under the impression that was not kosher. From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> To: virtual fly box <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 8:03:02 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Jeff, you've never been to the shows in the east.........there, you might have a half dozen of the BEST Atlantic Salmon fly tyers on the planet, all seated in a row or real close together........and trust me.......even though they be takin' all dang day to do one fly.............there's a dang good reason they don't just give 'em away. Once those puppies go in a frame, they can sell them for upwards of $400 each.....and they DO. Next time you come over.....you'll have to make some time to come UPstairs. i'll show you a bunch of 'em. Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 17:42:26 -0700 From: bighawk...@yahoo.com Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com I thought everybody gave them all away for somebody that would sit and learn the pattern. I found out that was not the case. I suppose folks have their reasons. It's not like it's a piece of furniture or something really valuable. From: Anthony Spezio <bambot...@yahoo.com> To: vfb-mail@googlegroups.com Sent: Sat, October 31, 2009 7:11:44 PM Subject: [VFB] Re: Out bid..... Could not pass up the low water this morning. Went fishing and got skunked.. That is the first time getting skunked in years. I always give away all the files I tie at the tie-in's and at any shows I do. Tony --- On Sat, 10/31/09, Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Mark Romero <markflie...@hotmail.com> Subject: [VFB] Out bid..... To: "virtual fly box" <vfb-mail@googlegroups.com> Date: Saturday, October 31, 2009, 3:55 PM Patrick.....i got out bid.....and i could raise my bid, but i have lots of Seal anbd i been buyin' to many other things to keep goin' high and higher.........if i can't get a steal/deal, (on "most" things)....."my name is bennitt, and i aint in it." Tony, we had bout 15 tyers today for the Tye-IN........was a lotta fun and some really good food. i gave everything i tyed away to other tyers.Hope your feelin' ok. First day we had the water down and sunshine, in a while.......but they turned it back on round noon or earlier............jeeze. Startin' tomorrow, no more fishin' at the damn until the Browns are done spawnin'. Oh well............. New Windows 7: Find the right PC for you. 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