I'm sorry, I was by no means underrating Vim, just saying that should you wish 
to create a symbol in a Windows document that is not under vim editing control, 
there are (rather complicated) ways to go about it.

I entirely agree that should you be using a considerable number of non standard 
characters, Vim has to be the way to go, and that Microsoft have found an 
entirely inelegant manner to insert interesting symbols.

I'd like to point out that I use Vim for editing everything, apart from mail at 
work for which I have to use Outlook; I haven't yet found an elegant solution 
to replace the standard Outlook mail editor with vim as I can with mutt under 
Linux. Even starting work at Microsoft hasn't dragged me away from my preferred 
text editor!

Max

> -----Original Message-----
> From: A.J.Mechelynck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2006 5:15 PM
> To: Max Dyckhoff
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: Other European languages on a US keyboard
> 
> Max Dyckhoff wrote:
> > I haven't been following this thread in its entirety, but there are the
> "Windows Alt Keycodes" that can solve your entry of the œ symbol, and many
> others. To enter œ "all" you need to do is HOLD Alt, and then enter 0156
> on the keypad, and then release Alt.
> >
> > Hardly a stylish solution, but easier than copy/pasting from Vim, I'm
> sure.
> >
> > Max
> 
> Except that I never remember those numbers.
> 
> -Vim is intuitive:
> To enter œ in Vim, I hit ^Koe (where ^K is Ctrl-K). No weird numbers to
> remember, just one ctrl-key for all digraphs. And is it possible even on
> Windows to use codes above 255 (in this case, Alt-0339 I suppose)?
> 
> -Vim is customizable:
> When I want to type Russian, I use gvim with my own
> "russian-phonetic_utf-8.vim" keymap, where a maps to ah, b to beh, v to
> veh, g to gheh, etc. No weird keystrokes to remember.
> 
> -Vim is cross-platform:
> On this SuSE Linux system, Alt-keypad codes just don't work. Vim, OTOH,
> works the same on both Windows and Linux.
> 
> 
> Morality: Don't underrate Vim, especially not on its own mailing list. :-)
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> Tony.

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