On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 21:04, Christian J. Robinson <hept...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 25 May 2010, Nikolai Weibull wrote:
>
>> And no one forced you to defend this feature.
>
> True, nobody is forcing anybody to defend the feature, but what do you
> expect to happen when you complain about it?

I figured that “That said, I think persistent undo is more or less
useless and, well, just a big pile of potential problems.  Persistent
undo is in the version control system, not in the editor.” is me
stating an opinion about it, not saying “please remove it”.

>> Why does everyone have to come in and say basically the same thing in
>> response to my opinion?

> Why do you have to state, and re-state your opinion in the first place?

I gave what I considered to be the deeper solution to a problem that
one user figured that persistent undo would bring and that was to keep
edits local.  That someone chose to only focus on the fact that I said
that I thought persistent undo was a non-solution was where it
started.

>> It’s not like I’m suggesting that it be removed.

> Again I have to ask: Then why did you complain at all?

Because I like complaining and because the person that responded to my
post was too dismissive.

> To me it seems like you're implying that since it can't be perfect--by YOUR
> definition of perfection, for YOUR use cases--that it shouldn't be there at
> all.

Oh, was that what I implied?  I didn’t realize.  Perhaps I missed
reading one of my posts.  (See below for a discussion on what I
actually wanted to imply.)

>> I’m just stating the claim that what you really want is real version
>> control, not a half-assed form of it.

> Yes, I agree that there will be problems, and that it's yet another feature,
> and so on.  It still has merit, and considering it's #4 on the voting page
> means that a lot of people think so.
> (http://www.vim.org/sponsor/vote_results.php)

Which doesn’t necessarily mean that it will be as useful as those
people may hope.

> Version control has its place, and this feature has its place.  Just because
> it can't always be shared doesn't make it "useless," as you stated in an
> earlier reply.  (Of course, you also said "only a bit useful" in another
> reply--which is it?)

Strawman, much?  “I think persistent undo is more or less useless” is
what I initially wrote, followed by “persistent undo is in the
version control system, not in the editor”, which I figured would
imply that my point was that persistent undo is the wrong solution to
the problem.

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