I very much like the distinction between accessible and usable. I'm not sure I 
use the 2 correctly or in conformity with how most people use the terms. I'd 
like to learn to conform with general usage.

Accessible, to me, means that VoiceOver is largely if not completely enabled on 
an app or in software. There may be varying degrees of accessibility, from 
none, to low, to moderate to high to complete.

Usability, to me, means an app or software may be fully accessible, but 
usability can be low, due to a non-intuitive layout or tab sequencing or 
something else.

Is my understanding of the terms accessible and usable above accurate in terms 
of common usage? If not, I'd appreciate clarification.

Thanks. Keith 

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Raul A. Gallegos
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2012 7:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Accessible VS Usable -- Was Re: [Maccessibility] Google Releases 
Official YouTube App

I think this boils down to accessible verses usable. Some feel that if 
an app doesn't conform 100% to Voice Over standards then it's not 
accessible. Others feel that if they can use the app with minimal fuss, 
then it's accessible. Then comes that grey area of defining what is 
minimal fuss.

For example, I would term the downcast app as both accessible and 
usable. Yet the Netflix app is just usable to me while not being very 
accessible. This is because I have to do things in a certain way in 
Netflix app to get what I want and sometimes that's not very convenient. 
The reason the things have to be done are due to their lack of 
accessibility features.

Now an app like Google Places isn't either accessible or usable to me. 
This is because it shows unlabeled buttons in many areas and sometimes 
the labels work and sometimes they do not. This is how it was last year 
when I tried it out anyway. If things have changed I can revisit the app 
and see what's up with it. However when all I hear is button button 
button button for things I want to do, it doesn't sound like it's very 
usable or accessible to me.

Lastly, an app like MotionX GPS Drive is considered accessible, but I 
don't find it very useful. Whether it's because of my mode of thinking 
or because I'm used to Navigon I don't know. I just can't get myself to 
like it. I gave it a fair try during the free trial of the voice 
guidance and found it to be clunky at best when trying to find a 
destination or to cancel a route or to do other things which I find easy 
with Navigon. The only thing it had going for it is that it loaded 
faster than Navigon.

So, there's my usable cents on accessibility.
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On 9/11/2012 12:22 PM, Scott Davert wrote:
> Hmm. From what I've been reading on AppleVis, it is accessible, but
> not in the conventional method. Which begs the question of what
> defines accessibility? is something not accessible if you cannot
> accessit using the standard functions of your screen reader? As I
> understand it, the Sign in process can work without disabling
> VoiceOver. Essentially, the app is divided in to columns, and the
> standard flicking left and right gesture does not work. However, if
> you touch the screen in the appropriate place, VoiceOver is able to
> give the info to you. But to get to the other column on the screen,
> you have to tap something on the right side of it, and then tap the
> left side to get back to that series of columns. I'll have to play
> around with this when I get the time, but as I understand it, this is
> how it can be done.
>
> Scott

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