to all, since I was vice president of american assocation of deaf-blind for eight years, I understand what are going on as everyone has different degrees of both hearing and visual losses. no problem at all!
be yourself and do whatever you are pleased. just keep gong on. wink! todd, deaf sometimes use voice memos to help talking to hearing people as deaf like to use voice memos and type to make orders or questions with things. there are some deaf who like and some other deaf who don’t like. that is okay. I would not worry as logn as they please. I do appreciate for anyone to help us with some advices for some reasons, and since everyone udnerstands that we are defblind and need help. we thank yo for all elp you can do for us. and we can determine. wink1 todd, I do have voice mailgbox at home as it helps. because too many people try to get to me and I can’t follow up. so let them leave messages and when my sister comes, she can check where ssages come from like ulititly, company, doctor’s office, or whatever as it is tough that people keep forgetting. so let go.be gratefu7l. sincerely, rich From: Todd Patkus Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 7:32 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hello, Helga, First, my name is spelled T o d d (double d), not T o d (one d), which means death in German! Helga, next time, please spell it Todd, not Tod. Thank you. Note this applies to all those who are speech-only users. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 4:56 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hi Tod and all! How ar eyou all? Hey Todd, I actualy use the Voice memos app in order to record and so n. and actually my boyfriend hwo i s deafblidn uses it as well to record! And yes, I agree that there are a lot of bugs in software, but one should not complain about them; instead, one should suggest in fixig them. If one keeps complaining then things will never get fix! I know that using a braille display with an apple device is sometiems difficult, but not impossible. I look forward in hearing from uyou soon. Thanks so much! Helga Schreiber Group Moderator for the IPad help for the blind ipadhelpfortheblind+subscr...@groups.io Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students. Member of the International Networkers Team (INT). Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research. Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreibe...@gmail.com Skype: helga.schreiber26 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx INT Website: http://int4life.com/ "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 7 running IOS 10.1 On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:57 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: John, It is so easy for you to say what you said below. The statement I made stands to be correct. Yes, Apple Inc. fails to do more thorough diagnoses on their updates! I am sure Rich will tell you something. No need to remind me about opinions. I am not opinionated; I am making facts. That is it. Todd From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John Panarese Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 3:31 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Remember. You are expressing your opinion. It is the opinion of one person. It is not universal. What you consider to be important apps or unimportant apps is not shared among everyone. I agree with you on things like Stocks and Voice Memos, but I know others who would not agree with that. So, as the expression goes, Apple can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Bugs are going to be in software. It’s a reality of any product based on the fact that so many different development teams do so much different work as updates are made available. I don’t particularly feel we need yearly updates to operating systems, but apparently, the majority of those who buy the products do appreciate it. There are certainly outstanding bugs in iOS that have lingered for far too long, but name a software product in which one cannot make an equally valid statement. Android, Windows, etc … they all have them. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL and Trainer AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Nov 18, 2016, at 4:23 PM, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: Sieghard, The app store, iTunes store, Phone, Mail, and settings are the ones that I consider to remain. I did not say ALL should be "non-native" but those apps that are absolutely useless, such as voice memos, stocks, should never be native but non-native. That is where I stand for. It is simply that a lot of the apps are simply useless and should never have been native in the first place. They missed the point. I was one of the ones who spoke out loudly at Apple. They cannot expect everyone to have their products. When they said it, I simply ignored and made a blunt statement to them making them realize they are just wasting such efforts making them native. That cannot be so. Meantime, I see still bugs there. Apple needs to do more than just release new versions of the iOS. They need to learn to do more thorough diagnoses to ensure the apps work correctly before releasing them. Think about it. Todd -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:55 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hi Todd, The good news is that as of iOS 10 you can in fact delete native apps such as Mail, Voice Memos, Stocks, Calculator and so on. There are still some which are essentials to the operation of the phone which can't be deleted and that of course makes sense. These are apps like the App Store, Settings and so on. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:23 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hello there, Sieghard, I have a Braille Sense U2 Mini, so I would have to find the correct commands for that. As for that app Home, it is totally useless to me, and I have no need for it. So I would have kicked that goofy (smile) app out for good. The only thing I abhor about Apple is that they tend to put many apps on all products that are often useless and cannot be deleted completely due to them being native apps. That really sucks! Yes, these folks at Apple Inc. are missing something in a large way. Not just Apple but other companies do the same. I just do not understand how these folks act like this. they like to show off by saying there are apps you need but the opposite is true. It is just a real goof on them! Thank you, Sieghard, for the information concerning the Home app. Todd -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 2:11 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hi Todd, Apple has come up with a standard for home automation devices. These are things like connected thermostats, lights like the Philipps Hue, door locks, automated sprinkler control systems, cameras, devices to open and close curtains or blinds and so on. If you have any such devices and they support Apple's Home Kit standard they will appear in the Home app. I don't have a braille display, but maybe you know what commands to use if I tell you how I delete apps and if you have ever moved apps you are half way there. First, if I swipe up or down on any app on any home screen, Voiceover says "Arrange Apps". At that point you can swipe up or down again with one finger and this will go back and forth between "Activate Item" or "Move" followed by the name of the app. If you then double tap on "Activate Item" you will be asked if you want to delete the app and you can confirm and it will be deleted. Regards, Sieghard -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todd Patkus Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2016 10:36 PM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Chris, You mean that app is more for managing your personal doings? It is still on my iPhone now. How do one remove that Home app? Remember I am deafblind so I am a strong Braille user. Thank you. Todd -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of christopher hallsworth Sent: Friday, November 18, 2016 12:30 AM To: Viphone <viphone@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Home in iOS 10.1.1 Hi The "home" app is the hub for managing homekit devices. I simply removed it in the very first, and I mean very first, non-public, beta of iOS 10, as I have no homekit devices and was simply not interested. On 18 Nov 2016, at 04:09, Todd Patkus <tpte...@gmail.com> wrote: To all: Many of you may know this, but wonder if any of y’all know exactly what the Home app that was appended to iOS 10.1.1 is for? Exactly what does Home do? If any of y’all have used it for a time, share some of your experiences with it. Todd -- The following information is important for all members of the V iPhone list. 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