PC's versus smart phones [WAS was Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC"]

Tue, 07 Feb 2017 16:31:21 -0800

First of all, no where did I say that you said we can't handle emails on our smart phones. You don't want to be taken out of context, so please extend that courtesy to others on the list as well.
In fact, what you did say, and I quote, is "... with a computer you will be doing the same thing in seconds, instead hours." All I said in my email, which you can read below, is that this is an exaggeration and is only your experience and your opinion. 


If you can read, reply to, file and delete a hundred message on your PC 
in a few seconds then that's great, and you are infinitely more 
proficient with email on your PC than I am. On the other hand if it 
takes you hours to read, reply to, move and delete a hundred emails on 
your smart phone then you're either doing some complicated email 
formatting like Seeghard describes, or I'm a lot more proficient when it 
comes to handling email on a smart phone then you are.



In fact, there are some tasks I prefer to do on my iPhone. For example, 
if I'm going to read, delete and move a bunch of emails at work, I'll do 
that on my iPhone before I'll do that in Outlook on my PC. I just find 
that Outlook with JAWS or NVDA just doesn't handle threading as eel as 
the Mail app does on the iPhone. If I were also talking about replying 
to and writing emails then yes, I'm going to go to my PC first. Also, if 
I were comparing the Mail app on my iPhone to Thunderbird with Orca on 
Linux, then I'd take that combination on my PC over the iPhone, but 
that's not an option for me at the job.



I agree that doing some things, such as content generation, is generally 
more efficient on a PC than on a smart phone, but a lot of things 
related to content consumption is just as easy if not easier on a tablet 
or smart phone. My problem with your statement is that you're making 
wild exaggerations, you're stating your opinion as fact and you're not 
providing any use cases or details about what you're doing that's so 
much more efficient on your PC.



I also don't agree that your smart phone or tablet is a supplementary 
device. It may be in your case, and that's fine. I know plenty of people 
though who use a tablet now as their primary device, and yes that is in 
an office setting. I'm not there yet, but it isn't because mobile 
devices don't have the necessary computing power. It has to do more with 
the state of the apps, their accessibility, and keyboard support. 
Convertible devices are also blurring the distinction between mobile 
devices and laptops, and there's no reason to think this trend won't 
continue. Look at the specs of your high end smart phones and the specs 
you need on your PC to accomplish the same tasks. The deltas have shrunk 
incredibly over the last few years, if they even exist at all any more.



You can relegate your smart phone and tablet to a supplementary device 
if you want, but I'm glad their are innovators at Canonical, Microsoft 
and elsewhere that realize there's no reason why one device can't bridge 
the gap between the mobile and desktop spaces.




On 07/02/17 10:21, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Just research, just ask on blogs, just see it by yourself. Christopher, I 
understand that what I am saying is a little bit painful for smart phone users, 
but we need to be realistic. Smart phones are supplementary tools, they are not 
work tools with enough power to replace a computer. No, no yet.
Of course that when you are traveling you use your phone, supplementary tool. I 
am not saying that you cannot use your phone to read or reply an email, did I 
say so?
No right?
Ok, don't take my emails out of the point. I am saying that people using smart 
phones are not that efficient managing emails as they are using a computer. 
Just take that statement, not add or remove anything from there.
The fact that you take 15 more minutes using your phone to handle emails is 
proving what I am saying.
If you believe that you working as a professional in your office will not need 
a computer because you have an iPhone, you are wrong, and you will not get any 
job thinking like that. It is already proved, we are not efficient working on 
smart phones as we are on a computer.
People works a lot faster using a computer than using their smart phones. It is 
for logic reasons. Simplicity of the apps is one, size of screen is other, 
limitations of hardware is other. And the list can continue.
Now try to read my email again, and you will see that I am not saying that we 
cannot handle emails, I am saying that we are not efficient if I  compare with 
a computer handling emails.






-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Christopher Chaltain
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2017 8:09 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC

This doesn't need to be the case. Smart phones have more than enough computing 
power to make handling emails just as efficient as on a PC.
The applications used may need some improvement to get there, but there's 
nothing limiting about a mobile platform when it comes to handling emails.

Also, the delta between what you can do now on your smart phone and what you 
can do on your PC isn't nearly as wide as the message below would make you 
believe. I prefer to do most of my emailing from my PC, but when my PC isn't 
available to me, such as when I'm traveling, the difference is more like 30 
minutes on my PC to 45 minutes on my smart phone. This is just an estimate, but 
it's definitely not seconds versus hours.

I'm not sure if this is just unabashed exaggeration or maybe the poster just 
isn't as proficient with email aps on their smart phone as they are with email 
clients on their PC. Either way, below is just one person's experience and just 
one persons opinion.

On 07/02/17 06:53, Pablo Cesar Morales wrote:

Management of emails from a smart phone?

No way. Smart phones are supplementary tools. You will be more
efficient  handling your email from your computer than from your iPhone.
Especially when we are talking about huge amounts of emails per day.

To handle 10 or 15 per day is ok, but not to handle hundreds of
emails, that is a little bit silly and a waste of time. Probablly a
good exercise for your hands, but with a computer you will be doing
the same thing in seconds, instead hours.

No way.





*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Mike Ulrich
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 7, 2017 6:09 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Sieghard,

I’m glad I’m not the only one that if isn’t carefully keeping up with
them, had at previous times a inbox with a massive amount of emails in it!

One time though, I did select them all; and deleted them. I had about
3000 emails at the time. It was a should I stay or should I go moment
for sure! LOL!

So I try to keep up with both my laptop’s Outlook inbox, along with my
5S inbox too! A good lesson for sure!



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 6:22 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Sounds like it's time for you to again sell your iPhone and go back to
Android **smile**.

I look at my camera roll like my email Inbox. If I don't deal with the
emails in my Inbox on a regular bases pretty soon I also have
thousands of emails in there and of course I can't delete them all
since some are important. In the same way I delete those pictures I
don't want or no longer need on a regular bases.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 2:27 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Oh wow,

I have 4715 pictures that I need to delete. Is not a easyer way to
delete all pictures not using iTunes?

Of course that those pictures weren’t taken in the same place or at
the same time. Regarding this kind of issues android is several steps ahead.
With my pixel I just connect my phone to my computer, and as you said
before, control + A, and delete key. Problem fixed.













*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Sieghard Weitzel
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 3:59 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



I don't think you can delete via Windows Explorer so you will have to
do it on the phone. You can select groups of pictures, e.g. if you
took 10 pictures at a particular time and date then it should have the
place based on GPS location listed along with the time and you can
select all the pictures in that group which is faster than selecting
each picture separately.'



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Pablo Cesar Morales
*Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2017 12:43 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Now, and how can I take all the pictures out of my iPhone? Like delete
all of them. I tried select all, and delete, but they are not deleted.
I don’t want to use iTunes, this software is a pain in the…







*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 1:57 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Re: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Oh, well, I didn’t know it was that simple.

Thanks very much.

Evan



*From:*Sieghard Weitzel <mailto:siegh...@live.ca>

*Sent:*Monday, February 06, 2017 1:52 PM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

*Subject:*RE: Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Just turn off Photo Library in Settings > iCloud. Once that is done
the iPad should show up in Windows Explorer as a drive and you an
access the pictures there and just highlight all with Control+A, then
Control+C to copy, go to a folder on your PC and Control+V to copy.



Regards,

Sieghard



*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Evan Reese
*Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2017 10:47 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Subject:* Getting Pictures Off of an iPad Mini to a Windows PC



Hey Guys,

My partner doesn’t own an Apple device, but she likes to use my iPad
Mini 4 to take pictures because she can see what she’s taking a
picture of better than with her digital camera. We would like to be
able to get these pictures off of it onto her Windows PC. There are
several hundred of them now, so doing it manually one at a time won’t
be feasible. Is there some program that we can install on her Windows
PC that will transfer them? She doesn’t need to install iTunes
because, as I mentioned, she doesn’t own any Apple devices, and she
doesn’t use my iPad Mini for anything other than taking pictures. If
installing iTunes is the only, or the best, solution, then I can do
that; but it seems like overkill just to transfer a bunch of pictures.

Finally, if it’s something other than iTunes, it needs to be
accessible with her JAWS.

Thanks for any guidance.



Evan

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