> Hello Richard, 
> I fixed the Braille issue easily enough.  I just can't figure out how my 
> phone updated when I had the setting activated that would not allow automatic 
> updates.  Kind of scary.  BI'm getting used to it.  I figure there's no sense 
> in going back.  I'll get used to it, and hope the bugs get ironed out in due 
> course.

> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 2:09 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>  Dwayne,
> Did you find the place in the VoiceOver braille settings where you can adjust 
> which braille table is being used?
> And, no one can easily get to the status bar with any keyboard.
> You just have to touch the screen until they fix it.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it." 
> -- from The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, by Jane 
> Wagner
> 
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 11:00 AM, Duane Steele <duanestee...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Dave.  But now that it's done I'm adjusting to it.  After all, 
> there'll come a time when we all have to use it.  There are bugs and issues, 
> and with the help of folks on this list, I'll work them out.  One thing I 
> noticed immediately was that the braille table had automatically gone to UEB 
> braille, and I'm still happier with the standard Us Braille system when 
> writing with my BrailleEdge.  It's also harder to just get to the status bar. 
>  In fact, with the Braille device, it can't be done, and that's frustrating.  
> I won't turn back the clock.  I'll just forge ahead with all the others on 
> this list who have updated their Apple devices.
> 
> 
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
> 
> On Oct 22, 2019, at 1:40 PM, Dave <dave.beckett...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi You can remove the downloaded update, by going into settings, general, and 
> swiping to iPhone storage.
>  
> There you will find the iOS 13 update. Just double tap on it, and you will 
> have the option to delete it.
>  
> It will download again at some point. But just keep deleting it.
>  
> Dave.
>  
>  
> From: janet gross
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 6:16 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hi Duane and All,
> Duane you didn’t do anything wrong, as the exact samething happened to me 
> just last Sunday, even though, I have my auto download set to off.  When I 
> turned on my XR phone with iOS 12.4.1, the update 13 .1.2 was downloading, 
> and I had no option to cancel.  I turned the phone off, and waited, and 
> turned it back on, but still the update was downloading!  I was furious!  I 
> think this is very unfair that Apple would do this, and as far as I am 
> concerned, this should not be allowed!  Although, doesn’t all the updates 
> automatically download, but we have the option to install by accepting the 
> license agreement or not.  Hopefully someone will chime in on my question.  
> After the download, a few days later is when I got the first notification to 
> install the update, so I did not accept the license agreement, so it has not 
> installed on my phone.  Although, it is still there waiting for me to accept 
> the license agreement, and I have no intentions of updating just yet.  Has 
> anyone noticed the size of this update? It is a little over 2 gigs!  So next 
> time we think about buying an iPhone, we might have to pay more money to get 
> more space on our phones!  If someone doesn’t want the newest update, that 
> should be their right, so please people try and understand some people just 
> don’t ask for trouble!  Now, I’m sure Apple had good intentions when 
> releasing an update, but it doesn’t always work that way, and I’m sure Apple 
> knows that!  Doesn’t the Apple baiter testers give their findings to Apple 
> before Apple actually releases the update? Doesn’t Apple listen to their 
> baiter testers? When I have a problem with my phone after an update, and I 
> call Apple, they can only give me a workaround if they have one, so the main 
> problem is not corrected!   
> Yes, I know some people might not be experiencing the same phone issues after 
> the update, and that seems to be a little odd! 
> Janet
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Duane Steele
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2019 10:35 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: I never meant to update.
>  
> Hello iPhone Friends,
>  
> Some of you reading this note will suppose that perhaps I'd done something 
> wrong in the settings on my iPhone 8.  With all the recent flack I'd read and 
> heard about iOS 13, I had decided to wait awhile before updating.  I checked 
> my settings to ensure that the automatic update feature had been turned off.  
> You can now guess where this is going.  I awoke this morning and looked at 
> the time on my iPhone and discovered it had updated overnight without my 
> consent.  I can only imagine that, given today's rapid advances in artificial 
> intelligence, my phone made its own decision, and now, I'm stuck with having 
> to reorient myself to lots of new features I don't know anything about.  Is 
> there a reasonable explanation for why this would have happened.  Well, now 
> I'll take up the challenge and learn to adapt to the update.  But I have to 
> wonder why I had no choice.
>  
>  
> Peace & Blessings,
> Duane L. Steele
> Phone (276) 730-5194
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