Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost focus issue?

Davy Cuppens Sat, 23 May 2020 05:06:19 -0700

Dear Christopher and others

The only thing that frustrates me is the resigned lazyness of almost thewhole blind community.I've been dealing with Apple products now for 6 years and have had contactwith many devs and people in the accessibility team and they all report thesame. Very few reports are made by voiceover users about bugs or proposalsto make things better.

Indeed it is good here on the list to report bugs, as long as you did sobefore with Apple and 90% of us won't do this.

I am on a social whatsapp citizens network to prevent our neighbourhood forburglary and there it is just the same, yes it is good to report suspiciousthings but please at first, do inform the police emergency number and really90% of the folks won't do that. That's the same for our bugs to report toApple. First report to Apple then report us.


Davy

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Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 1:54 PM
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Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lostfocus issue?

Wow, I'm not sure where this is coming from. Talking about a bug on thislist doesn't mean that people aren't doing anything. People can talk aboutan issue on this list and report it to Apple as well. I also can't rememberthe last time I saw someone complaining about a bug in IOS and threateningto go to Android, but it's very likely that I just missed such a post sinceit just doesn't bother me which device people are using and why they movefrom one to another. I hope a post like this doesn't discourage people fromtalking about bugs on this list. As important as it is to report bugs toApple, it's also good for the community to talk about bugs and learn fromeach other how to work around such bugs while waiting for Apple to addressthese bugs. It's also perfectly OK for people to get frustrated with Applewhen a bug is reported and yet still hangs around without being addressedrelease after release. As important as smart phones are to everyone thesedays, and given how much we pay for our iPhones, we have the right to askfor long standing bugs to be addressed. We're no different then our sightedpeers in this respect.


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Christopher (AKA CJ)
Chaltain at Gmail

-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
Of Davy Cuppens
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 4:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lostfocus

issue?

Sieghard you got the point indeed I am not gona send them A10s fightersplanes(grin) to bomb the company but I am simply reporting them every remainingbugevery 2 weeks if they like it or not but for all those that are onlymoaning andcomplaining here, then do nothing and stay with your bugs that you are alllikingso much. And please stop moaning and complaining about them simply livewithit or go to android. I'm so fed up with that extremely lefty and resigningattitude

of 90% of the vips on earth.
Davy

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From: Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 5:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lostfocus

issue?

I think Davy is simply saying in a slightly dramatic way that everybodyshould

write to Apple Accessibility about this and other bugs.


-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf
Of
Carolyn
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 11:48 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

I'm with you though, Lynn.

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
Behalf
Of Lynn White
Sent: Friday, May 22, 2020 2:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

No.  Bombing any server is a rotten idea.  That is a very negative action
and is likely not to receive a positive reaction.

I hope that the moderator will not mind me saying this. But whenever Ihearthat someone wants to “bomb” a company, it sounds like spoiled bratswantingtheir way using any means necessary. Not casting personal attacks onanyone

whatsoever.

There are probably several useful methods that we can use to point out

problems witha service or app. The one that comes to mind in thissituation

is to send a detailed description of the problem to the Apple Accessible
team each time a new major update happens.

It would probably be quite helpful to thank the team for any improvements
that are made and point those improvements out.

I’m just thinking of how I would receive such a helpful message if I wason

such a team.

I hope that this is helpful and trust me, I am not at all downing peoplewho

might disagree with me.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 22, 2020, at 1:15 PM, Davy Cuppens <davycupp...@gmail.com> wrote:




BOMB do bomb their servers every day on and on and on!

You are all saying of course we do, but maybe when 2000 read this just 2or3 will do so because I feel blinds are often so uncomplained resignedpeopleothers will do that in my place me I do not have the writing skills to doso

and other bad reasons not to write to Apple.

So, now, this evening, everybody involved with this tramendous bug DOreport

it now and let’s say every week again and again!

Davy

From: Lynn White <mailto:lynnwhite...@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 9:29 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?

Hi Allen,

This is so refreshing to hear. I have a friend who, every time there isan

update, he refers to Apple engineers and beta testers in all kinds of ways
other than children of God.

I encourage him to either write to Accessibility and/or become a betatester

which he would be great at.  To this day, he has done neither.

And you’re right. It will take beating that drum patiently andcourteously

until this issue is fixed.  It probably won’t be until maybe IOS 14 comes
out.


Sent from my iPhone


On May 21, 2020, at 2:24 PM, 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone
<viphone@googlegroups.com> wrote:




Thank you for making it so easy to write to Apple.  I’ve sent them an
e-mail.

Kim


On May 21, 2020, at 10:59 AM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com>
wrote:





Yes, anyone experiencing this should write accessibil...@apple.com
<mailto:accessibil...@apple.com>







Richard

"There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland,
Oregon.





From: 'Kimberly Samco' via VIPhone <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2020 10:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Experience of others with iOS 13.5 and native Mail app lost
focus issue?



Yes.  This is irritating.  I planned to ask this group about this but didn’t
know the word for it which is “focus”, so thank you for that.



So now what?  Do we just wait for the next update?  Write to Apple
accessibility?



Thanks for any direction.



Kim









On May 21, 2020, at 9:10 AM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com
<mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:



Hi List,



I'm still disappointed that the native Mail app loses focus when I've
reviewing emails with it in iOS 13.5. I have a gmail account and review
emails in threads and the Mail app has been unable to retain focus on the

message on which I'm located ever since iOS 13 came out. It doesn't seemto

do any better with iOS 13.5 than it has with other iterations. If a new
email comes in while focus is at the bottom of the screen on a much older
message, focus is jumping to this new email. It also isn't keeping focus
correctly when I expand a thread containing multiple messages.



Are others still experiencing this behavior? Has anyone come up with

procedures to work with this focus issue because I find going through mynew

emails each morning to be a major pain and time waster.



Thanks in advance for your comments.



Alan Lemly

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