Well, I'm not sure I'm following the thread below, but there's nothing wrong in requesting a feature. We can't always just accept what's out there or things will never change and get better.

I can also see a sighted user using a bluetooth keyboard and not wanting to remove their hands from the keyboard to interact with the touch screen, so if I understand the point in this thread, it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

On 04/03/2013 05:09 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
Well, you can spend thousands of dollars and get a specialised note
taker PDA for the blind, you can spend even more thousands of dollars to
develop one yourself, or you can adjust to what is available.

As I told my daughter whilst she was growing up, "You can want all you
want." :-)

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 04/04/2013, at 10:32, "KK2006" <kking2...@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Understandable.  I'm not sighted though and I want something
different, lol.

    ----- Original Message -----
    *From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
    *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
    *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:56 PM
    *Subject:* Re: Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard

    When VO is not turned on, the keyboard is only used for entering
    text into edit fields. Just as with the mouse, sighted people
    overwhelmingly prefer directly interacting with visual icons and
    images on the touch-screen over working through a less direct
    keyboard interface.

    David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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    Sent from my iPhone

    On 04/04/2013, at 5:20, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com
    <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

    I could be long, but I don't think Kayla is a voiceover user. But
    there has to be keyboard commands as this keyboard is sold to the
    general public.

    Sent from my iPhone

    On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:44 AM, "Alan Paganelli"
    <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
    <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

    Here are the ones I've been saving.
    iOS Keyboard shortcut commands
    VoiceOver VO keys = Control plus Option
    General navigation
     Keys  Action
     VO plus left or right  Select previous or next item
     VO plus up or down  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
     VO plus Space  Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
     VO plus H  Go to home screen
     VO plus H 2 times  Open/close multitask pane
     Escape  Go back, cancel, close pop-up
     Cmd plus Tab  Switch to next app or hold Shift for previous
     VO plus A  Read all from first object in selected area
     VO plus B  Read all from selected item
     VO plus M  Move to status bar
     VO plus I  Open Item Chooser for current area
     VO plus F  Search and go to match with Enter
     VO plus G  Next search match, hold Shift for previous
    Handling VoiceOver
     Keys  Action
     Control  Pause/resume speech
     VO plus S  Toggle speech off/on
     VO plus Shift plus S  Toggle Screen Curtain on/off
     VO plus Cmd plus up or down  Adjust the selected speech rotor
    option
     VO plus Cmd plus left or right  Change the speech rotor setting
     VO plus / (slash)  Add label to selected item
     VO plus K  Start VoiceOver training, Escape to exit
    Quick Nav Commands
    Turn on "Quick Nav" to use these commands by pressing left plus
    right keys at the same time
    Keys  Action
     up plus down  Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
     left or right  Selects the previous or next item
     up or down  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
     up plus left or right  Change to next or previous rotor setting
     Option plus left or right  Move to next or previous horizontal
    screen/page
     Option plus up or down  Move/scroll up or down the screen/page
     Control plus up or down  Select the first or last item in the area
     Control plus left or right  Go to next or previous container/area
    Safari Web Shortcuts
    Hold Shift for previous
    Keys  Action
     H  Next heading
     1 to 6  Next respective heading level 1–6
     L  Next link
     S  Next text element
     W  Next landmark
     R  Next text field
     X  Next list
     T  Next table
     M  Next element of same type
     I  Next image
     B  Next button
     C  Next form element

    Other keyboard commands with Quicknav off
    Esther Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:03:26 -0700
    (from:
    http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg26148.html
    Apple Wireless Keyboard, also works on the AmazonBasics KT-1081
    eject - toggle showing / hiding virtual keyboard (this key is at
    top right)
    tab - move to next text field (e.g. in mail)
    shift tab - move to previous text field
    command z - undo
    shift command z - redo
    command x - cut
    command c - copy
    command v - paste
    command a - select all
    control - stops and restarts VoiceOver speaking (e.g., in the
    middle of a two finger flick up or down to read all) command
    space - change to next language keyboard (when you have more
    than one selected)
    shift command space - change to previous language keyboard
    General movement and selection commands with command, option,
    and arrow key combinations. (For these sequences, holding down
    the shift key will select as well as move your cursor. On a PC
    keyboard, the control key can be substituted for some, but not
    all instances of the command key. On some keyboards, the Windows
    key may replace the function of the command key.)
    left / right arrows - move left or right by character
    shift left / right arrows - select left or right by character
    option left / right arrows -  move left or right by word
    shift option left / right arrows - select left or right by word
    command left / right arrows - move to beginning or end of line
    shift command left / right arrows - select to beginning or end
    of line
    up / down arrows - move up or down by line
    shift up / down arrows - select up or down by line
    command up arrow - move to start of document (page up on PC
    keyboard)
    shift command up arrow - select to start of document
    command down arrow - move to end of document (page down on PC
    keyboard)
    shift command down arrow - select to end of document
    delete - delete backward by character
    option delete - delete backward by word
    (forward delete sequences with the Fn key do not work)
    some emacs-like control key sequences work:
    control a - move to beginning of line
    control e - move to end of line
    control b - move back a character
    control f - move forward a character
    control h - backwards delete a character
    control k - delete to end of line
    control m - insert line feed (blank line)
    Selections are slightly tricky, because they are based on your
    current insertion point, so if you select a few words forward by
    holding down the shift key and tapping the option key, then
    press command up arrow to move to the start of the document
    without releasing the shift key, you will end up reversing the
    selection of the words you started with, and selecting all of
    your document from your starting point to the beginning of the
    document. Similarly, when you arrow down from the middle of a
    line and hold down the shift key, you select all characters from
    where you started to where you move to in the middle of the next
    line. On a Mac you can check your selections while you work, but
    here you can't. For more background details on how these
    commands work for selection, see my archived post on "Moving and
    Selecting in Cocoa Apps:
    http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
    Media Controls
    F3 - Previous Track
    F4 - Play/pause
    F5 - Next track
    F6 - Mute/unmute
    F7 - Decrease Volume
    F8 - Increase volume

        ----- Original Message -----
        *From:* KK2006 <mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>
        *To:* viphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
        *Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:37 PM
        *Subject:* Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard

        Hi all,
        I just bought the Logitech Tablet Blue Tooth Keyboard from
        Best Buy this evening.  It has a great feel.  It was
        originally designed for the ipad but seems to work with the
        iPhone 4S just fine.
        Having said that, I don't know where to even begin accessing
        the homescreen button and cannot seem to click on any
        icons.  There is a fifteen day money back garentee, if it
        doesn't work, I can always send it back...
        Thanks for any help you may be able to provide!
        Kindly,
        Kayla K

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