On 04/03/2013 08:16 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
My comments are mainly targeted, in this case, at the thought that sighted
users of iPhone would rather use keyboard navigation. Save for a very few
outlyers, this assertion is constantly proven incorrect.
I guess I didn't see that in this thread until you or someone else
brought it up. It just seemed like a question from someone who was
already using a bluetooth keyboard and wanted to do some navigation
without using the touch screen. I'm not saying people don't want to use
the touch screen, but I think people who want to use a keyboard make up
more than just a very few outliers. I doubt there would be as many
makers of bluetooth keyboards as there are if the market was as small as
you imply.
As for programming and AV, object-oriented programming is primarily mouse
oriented. Same with high-end AV editing and production.
I'm not sure why you say that object oriented programming is mostly
mouse oriented. Sure there are some IDE's that use the mouse to
establish relationships between objects, but even with these IDE's
there's still quite a bit of typing involved, such as when you're
writing a new object or method. There are also quite a few programmers
doing object oriented programming without such IDE's as well as quite a
bit of programming out there being done that isn't object oriented. I'm
also not sure how being mouse oriented changes the discussion. I still
see video editors using a monitor/keyboard/mouse combination on their
desktop system before doing this on a touch screen only device.
Again, I'm not saying touch screens aren't becoming more and more
popular and don't make a lot of sense for a lot of tasks. I'm just
saying there's still a place, which I think is larger than you imply,
for keyboards and input/output technologies other than the touch screen.
Because of this, I don't think there's anything wrong with someone
asking for a feature related to keyboard access.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 04/04/2013, at 12:10, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I can't disagree with anything you're saying, and I think you're right
when it comes to information consumption and inputs of small amounts of
information, but I don't see information and content generation going the way
of the tuch screen any time soon. I can't point to specific studies, but I
assume something must be driving companies like Microsoft, Canonical, Motorola
and Asus to develop converged devices which give you the tablet based touch
screen interface when you're mobile and a monitor/keyboard centric interface
when you're at your desk. Maybe this is just a set of transitional products,
but I just don't ever see programmers, writers, video editors, publishers and
so on doing their work exclusively on a touch screen. Like I said, I have read
the thread below, and I'm not sure I follow all of it, but I don't see where
the person who bought the bluetooth keyboard is just using it when they're
mobile.
On 04/03/2013 05:48 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
Ok, step outside what you know. The following has been studied numerous times
in many fields across the consumer information sectors. It includes everything
from information kiosks and cash machines in very diverse venues to mobile
information communication technology of various types and brands.
When the interface is end-user (consumer) focused, people overwhelmingly prefer
touch-screen direct access and manipulation of visual icons. They
overwhelmingly report such interfaces are much more natural. Also, errors
decrease significantly and productivity increases significantly when
touch-screen interfaces are used. These are facts, not speculation or wishful
thinking. New academic studies come out very regularly from different sectors
which show very similar results.
Now that acceptance and adoption of touch-screen technology has achieved
critical mass, touch-screen control interfaces are becoming (and in many
sectors have become) less expensive than traditional control interfaces using
physical controls such as buttons, switches, knobs, and sliders.
What this means is, the haptics rich environment of physical controls that we
blind people prefer is continuing to disappear, and will continue disappearing.
As the demand for such control interfaces reduces, costs for said interfaces
will rise. This is how the market works.
A sighted friend who always use to carry a bluetooth keyboard with him now does
all his typing on his iPhone's onscreen keyboard when he is out. As he told me,
once he got use to it, he no longer needs to carry, or worry about, the
Bluetooth keyboard.
We all know exceptions, but in general, the overwhelming majority of people
studied, from many different groups and countries, prefer the direct influence
they receive when utilising touch-screen interfaces.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 04/04/2013, at 11:16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I'm not sure I'm following the thread below, but there's nothing wrong in
requesting a feature. We can't always just accept what's out there or things
will never change and get better.
I can also see a sighted user using a bluetooth keyboard and not wanting to
remove their hands from the keyboard to interact with the touch screen, so if I
understand the point in this thread, it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.
On 04/03/2013 05:09 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
Well, you can spend thousands of dollars and get a specialised note
taker PDA for the blind, you can spend even more thousands of dollars to
develop one yourself, or you can adjust to what is available.
As I told my daughter whilst she was growing up, "You can want all you
want." :-)
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone
On 04/04/2013, at 10:32, "KK2006" <kking2...@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
Understandable. I'm not sighted though and I want something
different, lol.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:56 PM
*Subject:* Re: Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard
When VO is not turned on, the keyboard is only used for entering
text into edit fields. Just as with the mouse, sighted people
overwhelmingly prefer directly interacting with visual icons and
images on the touch-screen over working through a less direct
keyboard interface.
David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
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On 04/04/2013, at 5:20, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com
<mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I could be long, but I don't think Kayla is a voiceover user. But
there has to be keyboard commands as this keyboard is sold to the
general public.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:44 AM, "Alan Paganelli"
<alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
<mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>> wrote:
Here are the ones I've been saving.
iOS Keyboard shortcut commands
VoiceOver VO keys = Control plus Option
General navigation
Keys Action
VO plus left or right Select previous or next item
VO plus up or down Performs or move to the selected rotor option
VO plus Space Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
VO plus H Go to home screen
VO plus H 2 times Open/close multitask pane
Escape Go back, cancel, close pop-up
Cmd plus Tab Switch to next app or hold Shift for previous
VO plus A Read all from first object in selected area
VO plus B Read all from selected item
VO plus M Move to status bar
VO plus I Open Item Chooser for current area
VO plus F Search and go to match with Enter
VO plus G Next search match, hold Shift for previous
Handling VoiceOver
Keys Action
Control Pause/resume speech
VO plus S Toggle speech off/on
VO plus Shift plus S Toggle Screen Curtain on/off
VO plus Cmd plus up or down Adjust the selected speech rotor
option
VO plus Cmd plus left or right Change the speech rotor setting
VO plus / (slash) Add label to selected item
VO plus K Start VoiceOver training, Escape to exit
Quick Nav Commands
Turn on "Quick Nav" to use these commands by pressing left plus
right keys at the same time
Keys Action
up plus down Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
left or right Selects the previous or next item
up or down Performs or move to the selected rotor option
up plus left or right Change to next or previous rotor setting
Option plus left or right Move to next or previous horizontal
screen/page
Option plus up or down Move/scroll up or down the screen/page
Control plus up or down Select the first or last item in the area
Control plus left or right Go to next or previous container/area
Safari Web Shortcuts
Hold Shift for previous
Keys Action
H Next heading
1 to 6 Next respective heading level 1–6
L Next link
S Next text element
W Next landmark
R Next text field
X Next list
T Next table
M Next element of same type
I Next image
B Next button
C Next form element
Other keyboard commands with Quicknav off
Esther Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:03:26 -0700
(from:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg26148.html
Apple Wireless Keyboard, also works on the AmazonBasics KT-1081
eject - toggle showing / hiding virtual keyboard (this key is at
top right)
tab - move to next text field (e.g. in mail)
shift tab - move to previous text field
command z - undo
shift command z - redo
command x - cut
command c - copy
command v - paste
command a - select all
control - stops and restarts VoiceOver speaking (e.g., in the
middle of a two finger flick up or down to read all) command
space - change to next language keyboard (when you have more
than one selected)
shift command space - change to previous language keyboard
General movement and selection commands with command, option,
and arrow key combinations. (For these sequences, holding down
the shift key will select as well as move your cursor. On a PC
keyboard, the control key can be substituted for some, but not
all instances of the command key. On some keyboards, the Windows
key may replace the function of the command key.)
left / right arrows - move left or right by character
shift left / right arrows - select left or right by character
option left / right arrows - move left or right by word
shift option left / right arrows - select left or right by word
command left / right arrows - move to beginning or end of line
shift command left / right arrows - select to beginning or end
of line
up / down arrows - move up or down by line
shift up / down arrows - select up or down by line
command up arrow - move to start of document (page up on PC
keyboard)
shift command up arrow - select to start of document
command down arrow - move to end of document (page down on PC
keyboard)
shift command down arrow - select to end of document
delete - delete backward by character
option delete - delete backward by word
(forward delete sequences with the Fn key do not work)
some emacs-like control key sequences work:
control a - move to beginning of line
control e - move to end of line
control b - move back a character
control f - move forward a character
control h - backwards delete a character
control k - delete to end of line
control m - insert line feed (blank line)
Selections are slightly tricky, because they are based on your
current insertion point, so if you select a few words forward by
holding down the shift key and tapping the option key, then
press command up arrow to move to the start of the document
without releasing the shift key, you will end up reversing the
selection of the words you started with, and selecting all of
your document from your starting point to the beginning of the
document. Similarly, when you arrow down from the middle of a
line and hold down the shift key, you select all characters from
where you started to where you move to in the middle of the next
line. On a Mac you can check your selections while you work, but
here you can't. For more background details on how these
commands work for selection, see my archived post on "Moving and
Selecting in Cocoa Apps:
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
Media Controls
F3 - Previous Track
F4 - Play/pause
F5 - Next track
F6 - Mute/unmute
F7 - Decrease Volume
F8 - Increase volume
----- Original Message -----
*From:* KK2006 <mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>
*To:* viphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:37 PM
*Subject:* Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard
Hi all,
I just bought the Logitech Tablet Blue Tooth Keyboard from
Best Buy this evening. It has a great feel. It was
originally designed for the ipad but seems to work with the
iPhone 4S just fine.
Having said that, I don't know where to even begin accessing
the homescreen button and cannot seem to click on any
icons. There is a fifteen day money back garentee, if it
doesn't work, I can always send it back...
Thanks for any help you may be able to provide!
Kindly,
Kayla K
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