Both my children are a wiz at typing on a virtual screen with their thumbs. my sighted wife is getting much faster at typing on it as well.. I just went to the Amazon Basics Bluetooth keyboard because I can type much faster on it then I can on the virtual keyboard on my iPhone. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Chittenden" <dchitten...@gmail.com>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard


Ok, step outside what you know. The following has been studied numerous times in many fields across the consumer information sectors. It includes everything from information kiosks and cash machines in very diverse venues to mobile information communication technology of various types and brands.

When the interface is end-user (consumer) focused, people overwhelmingly prefer touch-screen direct access and manipulation of visual icons. They overwhelmingly report such interfaces are much more natural. Also, errors decrease significantly and productivity increases significantly when touch-screen interfaces are used. These are facts, not speculation or wishful thinking. New academic studies come out very regularly from different sectors which show very similar results.

Now that acceptance and adoption of touch-screen technology has achieved critical mass, touch-screen control interfaces are becoming (and in many sectors have become) less expensive than traditional control interfaces using physical controls such as buttons, switches, knobs, and sliders.

What this means is, the haptics rich environment of physical controls that we blind people prefer is continuing to disappear, and will continue disappearing. As the demand for such control interfaces reduces, costs for said interfaces will rise. This is how the market works.

A sighted friend who always use to carry a bluetooth keyboard with him now does all his typing on his iPhone's onscreen keyboard when he is out. As he told me, once he got use to it, he no longer needs to carry, or worry about, the Bluetooth keyboard.

We all know exceptions, but in general, the overwhelming majority of people studied, from many different groups and countries, prefer the direct influence they receive when utilising touch-screen interfaces.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
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On 04/04/2013, at 11:16, Christopher Chaltain <chalt...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well, I'm not sure I'm following the thread below, but there's nothing wrong in requesting a feature. We can't always just accept what's out there or things will never change and get better.

I can also see a sighted user using a bluetooth keyboard and not wanting to remove their hands from the keyboard to interact with the touch screen, so if I understand the point in this thread, it doesn't seem so unreasonable to me.

On 04/03/2013 05:09 PM, David Chittenden wrote:
Well, you can spend thousands of dollars and get a specialised note
taker PDA for the blind, you can spend even more thousands of dollars to
develop one yourself, or you can adjust to what is available.

As I told my daughter whilst she was growing up, "You can want all you
want." :-)

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

On 04/04/2013, at 10:32, "KK2006" <kking2...@sbcglobal.net
<mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>> wrote:

Understandable.  I'm not sighted though and I want something
different, lol.

   ----- Original Message -----
   *From:* David Chittenden <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
   *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
   *Sent:* Wednesday, April 03, 2013 3:56 PM
   *Subject:* Re: Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard

   When VO is not turned on, the keyboard is only used for entering
   text into edit fields. Just as with the mouse, sighted people
   overwhelmingly prefer directly interacting with visual icons and
   images on the touch-screen over working through a less direct
   keyboard interface.

   David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
   Email: dchitten...@gmail.com <mailto:dchitten...@gmail.com>
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   Sent from my iPhone

   On 04/04/2013, at 5:20, Les Kriegler <kriegle...@gmail.com
   <mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com>> wrote:

   I could be long, but I don't think Kayla is a voiceover user. But
   there has to be keyboard commands as this keyboard is sold to the
   general public.

   Sent from my iPhone

   On Apr 3, 2013, at 10:44 AM, "Alan Paganelli"
   <alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
   <mailto:alanandsuza...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

   Here are the ones I've been saving.
   iOS Keyboard shortcut commands
   VoiceOver VO keys = Control plus Option
   General navigation
    Keys  Action
    VO plus left or right  Select previous or next item
    VO plus up or down  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
VO plus Space Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
    VO plus H  Go to home screen
    VO plus H 2 times  Open/close multitask pane
    Escape  Go back, cancel, close pop-up
    Cmd plus Tab  Switch to next app or hold Shift for previous
    VO plus A  Read all from first object in selected area
    VO plus B  Read all from selected item
    VO plus M  Move to status bar
    VO plus I  Open Item Chooser for current area
    VO plus F  Search and go to match with Enter
    VO plus G  Next search match, hold Shift for previous
   Handling VoiceOver
    Keys  Action
    Control  Pause/resume speech
    VO plus S  Toggle speech off/on
    VO plus Shift plus S  Toggle Screen Curtain on/off
    VO plus Cmd plus up or down  Adjust the selected speech rotor
   option
    VO plus Cmd plus left or right  Change the speech rotor setting
    VO plus / (slash)  Add label to selected item
    VO plus K  Start VoiceOver training, Escape to exit
   Quick Nav Commands
   Turn on "Quick Nav" to use these commands by pressing left plus
   right keys at the same time
   Keys  Action
    up plus down  Activate the selected item. (open app, press button)
    left or right  Selects the previous or next item
    up or down  Performs or move to the selected rotor option
    up plus left or right  Change to next or previous rotor setting
    Option plus left or right  Move to next or previous horizontal
   screen/page
    Option plus up or down  Move/scroll up or down the screen/page
    Control plus up or down  Select the first or last item in the area
    Control plus left or right  Go to next or previous container/area
   Safari Web Shortcuts
   Hold Shift for previous
   Keys  Action
    H  Next heading
    1 to 6  Next respective heading level 1–6
    L  Next link
    S  Next text element
    W  Next landmark
    R  Next text field
    X  Next list
    T  Next table
    M  Next element of same type
    I  Next image
    B  Next button
    C  Next form element

   Other keyboard commands with Quicknav off
   Esther Wed, 07 Jul 2010 15:03:26 -0700
   (from:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg26148.html
   Apple Wireless Keyboard, also works on the AmazonBasics KT-1081
   eject - toggle showing / hiding virtual keyboard (this key is at
   top right)
   tab - move to next text field (e.g. in mail)
   shift tab - move to previous text field
   command z - undo
   shift command z - redo
   command x - cut
   command c - copy
   command v - paste
   command a - select all
   control - stops and restarts VoiceOver speaking (e.g., in the
   middle of a two finger flick up or down to read all) command
   space - change to next language keyboard (when you have more
   than one selected)
   shift command space - change to previous language keyboard
   General movement and selection commands with command, option,
   and arrow key combinations. (For these sequences, holding down
   the shift key will select as well as move your cursor. On a PC
   keyboard, the control key can be substituted for some, but not
   all instances of the command key. On some keyboards, the Windows
   key may replace the function of the command key.)
   left / right arrows - move left or right by character
   shift left / right arrows - select left or right by character
   option left / right arrows -  move left or right by word
   shift option left / right arrows - select left or right by word
   command left / right arrows - move to beginning or end of line
   shift command left / right arrows - select to beginning or end
   of line
   up / down arrows - move up or down by line
   shift up / down arrows - select up or down by line
   command up arrow - move to start of document (page up on PC
   keyboard)
   shift command up arrow - select to start of document
   command down arrow - move to end of document (page down on PC
   keyboard)
   shift command down arrow - select to end of document
   delete - delete backward by character
   option delete - delete backward by word
   (forward delete sequences with the Fn key do not work)
   some emacs-like control key sequences work:
   control a - move to beginning of line
   control e - move to end of line
   control b - move back a character
   control f - move forward a character
   control h - backwards delete a character
   control k - delete to end of line
   control m - insert line feed (blank line)
   Selections are slightly tricky, because they are based on your
   current insertion point, so if you select a few words forward by
   holding down the shift key and tapping the option key, then
   press command up arrow to move to the start of the document
   without releasing the shift key, you will end up reversing the
   selection of the words you started with, and selecting all of
   your document from your starting point to the beginning of the
   document. Similarly, when you arrow down from the middle of a
   line and hold down the shift key, you select all characters from
   where you started to where you move to in the middle of the next
   line. On a Mac you can check your selections while you work, but
   here you can't. For more background details on how these
   commands work for selection, see my archived post on "Moving and
   Selecting in Cocoa Apps:

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg02038.html
   Media Controls
   F3 - Previous Track
   F4 - Play/pause
   F5 - Next track
   F6 - Mute/unmute
   F7 - Decrease Volume
   F8 - Increase volume

       ----- Original Message -----
       *From:* KK2006 <mailto:kking2...@sbcglobal.net>
       *To:* viphone list <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
       *Sent:* Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:37 PM
       *Subject:* Logitech Blue Tooth Tablet Keyboard

       Hi all,
       I just bought the Logitech Tablet Blue Tooth Keyboard from
       Best Buy this evening.  It has a great feel.  It was
       originally designed for the ipad but seems to work with the
       iPhone 4S just fine.
       Having said that, I don't know where to even begin accessing
       the homescreen button and cannot seem to click on any
       icons.  There is a fifteen day money back garentee, if it
       doesn't work, I can always send it back...
       Thanks for any help you may be able to provide!
       Kindly,
       Kayla K

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