The reason why you don't pay full price for an iPhone is because your provider subsidises the purchase by making you sign a 2-year contract where you commit to paying a high monthly price for your phone service so in essence it is not a one-time cost because if you decide to cancel your contract after 6 months you will have to buy out the phone. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 6:13 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed!
Rarely do we pay a full price for an iPhone either, good sir. And once again, it's a one-time cost. If you must compare apples, please compare them to apples. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Logan Sent: July 3, 2013 9:10 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! This needs to stop. They can charge what they want and that doesn't make it greed. All of us have an IPhone or other I device and rarely does anyone accuse Apple of being greedy .. and how many billions do they have in cash. As one who has received 4 dogs from the Seeing Eye over the past 17 years, costing me a total of $300 I'd say that they are anything but greedy. Hopefully this app takes off and helps them to offset the cost to them of providing guide dogs for those of us who choose to use them. Let's get back to talking about the right thing on this list. Peter Logan -----Original Message----- From: James Homuth Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 8:57 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! Really? I never have, and I've used the thing for 2 years. Now, if there's a map you don't have, then sure you'll have to pay for it. But if you don't need the map, there's a good reason not to buy it. But no, any updated maps I've pulled down have been at no cost to me. And as for descriptiveness, they're descriptive enough if you actually pay attention to where you're going. I've gotten me from A, to B, to C using that app with virtually no problem. But then again, I also don't totally and completely rely on technology not to get me lost either. -----Original Message----- From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fenton Sent: July 3, 2013 8:53 AM To: viphone@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! With the greatest of respect, I disagree with the note below. The seeing eye application does provide additional description of intersections and actually provides true turn by turn directions that are usable by a blind person in a fashion that is much better than the other applications. For example, if you're doing a pedestrian route with this application, you're more likely to end up on the right side of the street to reach your destination then you are with some of the other GPS applications. In addition, if you do want to receive map updates on Navigon, You do have to pay an extra fee. Thanks. Bob Fenton Sent from my iPhone On 2013-07-02, at 11:20 PM, May and Noah <mcdonald....@gmail.com> wrote: > You need to catch up with times. The updates for maps with the breeze > are free. The Breeze is a one time cost. Also, the breeze and it's counter part the mystro did not run in the same price range. > > > The Seeing Eye App does the exact same thing as Navigon and my Breeze. > My Breeze or Navigon I don't have to pay yearly for it's use or the upgrades when they happen. > > Yes, the Seeing Eye app is another option for people to try out and > it's a valid argument for people to have in regards to the yearly price if they already have something that is a one time cost that does the same thing. > > For me I can say it was a waist of 70 bucks since it does what I > already have. > > Also, the maps that the Seeing Eye is using is the same ones that the other companies use and it's also pulling info from foursquare which a lot of apps seem to be doing these days as well. So from what I've seen in looking at it from what I already have and use, it's not better, but the same. > May and Prince Noah > www.canadianlynx.ca > > On 2013-07-03, at 12:00 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote: > >> And your Breeze was how much? I believe $800 is about right? If you >> buy the Seeing Eye app on a 3-year subscription, that means $800 >> divided by $130 = >> 6.15 which means I can renew my Seeing Eye subscription 6 times for >> the price of the Breeze and at 3 years per renewal this means 18 >> years. How likely do you think it is you get 18 years of service out >> of your Breeze without updates? I used to have a Trekker Maestro and >> Humanware told me map updates were $100 back then. I wonder which >> company is more greedy here and I also wonder whether the maps on >> your Breeze will be as up-to-date in 3 years as the ones the Seeing >> Eye app uses. >> >> Anyhow, I think this discussion is pretty well exhausted. I doubt any >> argument will change your hostile attitude towards Sendero and while >> you and everybody else is of course entitled to their opinion, I >> think if you did look at it objectively the numbers speak for themselves. >> >> >> Regards, >> Sieghard >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >> Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey >> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 8:28 PM >> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! >> >> You are incorrect assuming that I bought a subscription. I downloaded >> the app and when I found out how outrageous and costly it was, i >> certainly did not buy a subscription. I immediately went to the >> rating portion and told them how I feel. The app has been deleted >> from my phone. By the way, the apps you refer to are a one time fee. >> I've had my Navigon for 2 years and have only paid the cost of the >> app. I works just fine. A few bucks every now and then to upgrade the >> maps is reasonable, but certainly the price they want for a yearly >> sub is highway robbery. I just don't have that kind of money anyway, >> they wouldn't get it if I did and there are other good alternatives. >> Actually, I'll stay with my Breeze and support a company that is not >> blatantly greedy. I'm glad you find the app to be a good one because >> I would hate for someone to spend that kind of money and not like it. >> >> Mary Anne >> >> On 7/2/2013 10:20 PM, Sieghard Weitzel wrote: >>> Hi Mary Anne, >>> >>> Let me ask you one question: If you feel this way, why did you even >>> download and buy the one-year subscription to start with? It's not >>> like Sendero forced you to do so. >>> >>> You could go and pay $59 for Navigon North America, then $15 or >>> whatever it is for BlindSquare for a total of $75 and have a >>> workable solution even though it wouldn't be as good as the Seeing >>> Eye app. >>> This totally reminds me about the uproar some people felt when >>> Sendero dared to charge $5 for their LookAround app a few years ago, >>> the outrage some people felt then I think was downright ridiculous >>> and while $70 is more than $5, like I said, don't buy it if you >>> don't want it. >>> >>> >>> Take care, >>> Sieghard >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On >>> Behalf Of Mary Anne Lynskey >>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 6:47 PM >>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: The Seeing Eye app, greed, greed, greed! >>> >>> I think it's a disgrace and a total rip off. Not even a trial? Even >>> so, it's too expensive and nothing but outright greediness. I've >>> already written this as a rating for the app, adding that it's >>> nothing less than a case of total greed, greed, greed, taking >>> advantage of blind people and stealing money out of their pockets. >>> Sixty-nine bucks a year, that is outrageous! What a cocky attitude >>> for Sendero to adopt. who do they think they are anyway? I couldn't >>> even rate it zero stars and I begrudgingly gave them one just to >>> speak my mind. >>> >>> Mary Anne Lynskey >>> >>> >>> On 7/2/2013 2:28 PM, Chuck Dean wrote: >>>> At this time, they are only offering a one year, and a three-year >>> subscription. >>>> >>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. >>>> >>>> On Jul 2, 2013, at 11:25 AM, dan Thompson <dthomps...@mchsi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi chuck, can one buy a lifetime membership or do we have to keep >>>>> paying for rights to use the app? >>>>> >>>>> To receive emails regarding Dan's daily Tips or the Daily HotSpot >>>>> Devotional, send an email to dthomps...@mchsi.com with "subscribe Dan's >>>>> Tips" or "subscribe Hotspot Devotional" in the subjectline. of your >>> truth >>>>> and live according to your word". >>>>> >>>>> Verse of the Week >>>>> Proverbs 18:10 >>>>> The name of the LORD is a strong tower; the righteous man runs >>>>> into it and is safe. (ESV) >>>>> >>>>> Prayer: "O gracious and Holy Father, give us wisdom to perceive >>>>> you, diligence to seek you, patience to wait for you, eyes to >>>>> behold you, a heart to meditate upon you, and a life to proclaim >>>>> you; through the power of the Spirit of Jesus Christ our Lord." >>>>> (Prayer of Saint Benedict of Nursia, >>>>> 480-547 AD) >>>>> Psalm 23:1-6 >>>>> 1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want; >>>>> 2 he makes me lie down in green pastures. He leads me beside still >>>>> waters; >>>>> 3 he restores my soul. He leads me in paths of righteousness for >>>>> his name's sake. >>>>> 4 Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I >>>>> fear no evil; for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they >>>>> comfort me. >>>>> 5 You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies; you >>>>> anoint my >>>>> >>>>> head with oil, my cup overflows. >>>>> 6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my >>>>> life; and I shall dwell in the house of the LORD for ever. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Psalm 19:8-11 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] >>>>> On Behalf Of Chuck Dean >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 1:07 PM >>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: The Seeing Eye app, a quick test. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, I took the Seeing Eye GPS app for a quick walk around my >>>>> neighborhood to see how well it performed. I walked about one >>>>> mile, and took a different route back. It worked well, although >>>>> like most GPS apps it seemed to use a lot of battery, over twenty >>>>> percent in the >>> one mile walk. >>>>> The interface of the app is simple and easy to understand. >>>>> Entering an address is made easy because the state and city you >>>>> are in are already entered, so only the address number and street >>>>> need to be entered. If you are going to another city, however, you >>>>> will need to change that field. I started by searching for a point >>>>> of intrest and starting a route. The app uses voice over for most >>>>> of the announcements, but does have another voice that chimes in >>>>> occasionally. The directions were clear and given with ample lead >>>>> time. As I approached intersections it would announce the street >>>>> name and the intersection type, I. E. Fore way, and the street >> direction. >>> Also, as I walked the app announced points of intrest as I passed by. >>>>> On the way back, I tried the route to home option, which opened a >>>>> drop down menu with various options including one that is poorly >>>>> labeled. My wife told me it said multi modal, which voice over >>>>> didn't understand, so I relabeled this button multi mode. >>>>> Over all I think this is a great start, but there are a few things >>>>> I'd like to see in the future. I'd like to see the ability to walk >>>>> a virtual route, as I was able to do with my human ware Trekker.. >>>>> After taxes the one year subscription cost over seventy five dollars. >>>>> It sounds like a lot, but considering my old Trekker was fifteen >>>>> hundred dollars seven years ago, it doesn't seem too expensive. >>>>> If you figure it out, it comes to about twenty one cents a day for >>>>> the one year subscription. And only about thirteen cents a day >>>>> with the three year subscription, it seems reasonable to me. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Chuck (mobile) >>>>> Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>>>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>>>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>>>> --- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>> "VIPhone" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>> send an >>> email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >>> Google Group. >>> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >>> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >>> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "VIPhone" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" >> Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit >> http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. >> To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. >> To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "VIPhone" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. > To search the VIPhone public archive, visit http://www.mail-archive.com/viphone@googlegroups.com/. > To post to this group, send email to viphone@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/viphone?hl=en. > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "VIPhone" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to viphone+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the "VIPhone" Google Group. 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