Pablo,
I just don't understand some of the complaints. I don't see a difference
in
the location of the End button when I'm on a phone call, it's still right
there at the bottom of the screen.
Then there are little things like Voiceover saying Screene Locked a second
time, I mean, really, so what.
What about all the improvements? All some people do is complain but they
forget to recognize the good things.
What about the handwriting feature which is awesome for quickly finding
apps?
What about SIRI which works better now than ever?
What about the new 2-finger quadruple tap to copy the last spoken text
which
I use quite often and find great?
What about Facetime Audio, I think it's awesome.
What about little fixes like Voiceovover not losing focus when I am in
email
53 of my Inbox and back out where it now stays on email 53 instead of
going
back to email 1? This, by the way, I remember you complained about
bitterly
when iOS 6 was released and this was introduced.
What about the fantastic support for hearing aids, not something that is
mentioned that often on this list even though I know some Viphone members
have significant hearing loss and for them this is more revolutionary than
evolutionary.
These are just a few examples, some are general features and some are
accessibility related.
Pablo, I am not saying it's all peaches and cream, there are bugs, there
always were bugs and there always will be bugs.
In the meantime I love what I can do with my iPhone, the access to apps
and
information it gives me.
I prefer to send the occasional email to the accessibility team if I am
sure
I found something that truly doesn't work and which isn't working because
I
am not paying attention because I know that Apple is committed to
improving
accessibility even if apparently you feel it's worse than ever.
Maybe you should look for an iPhone 3GS running iOS 5 or iOS 6 on eBay so
you can have the experience you seem to be missing.
Happy tapping,
Sieghard
-----Original Message-----
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 3:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: When will Apple take this seriously?
Sieghard, what are you talking about?
So for you is not fir that I complain when I feel that somebody is
abusing
when they decrees the quality of a product?
For example, in IOs 5, the typing emails or typing text messages, wasn't a
problem, in IOs 6 either, but now in IOs 7 is very difficult. If not
every
body is getting the same problem, it doesn't mean that is not enough
people
getting the problem. I have seen this kind of complain in the list,
several
times. It was happening in the previous versions of IOs?
No, it didn't.
Now VO says after the screen is locked, "Screen locked"and seconds or
minutes later, VO repeats the message.
It happened before?
No, it didn't.
When we receive a call, is easy to find the end button? is easy to finish
the phone call?
No, it is not, is not one people getting this problem, is a lot of people
saying the same thing. It happened before?
No, it didn't.
Field a text box in a web site, is difficult, or some times impossible. If
you don't do it, it doesn't means that it is not a bug. It means that you
don't field text fields on web sites, it is all. It happened before?
No, it didn't.
Now when we are reading the list of emails, or what ever list of content,
voice over jumps every where, and we have to cross the whole list of
content
again to find where we were before VO jump out.
it happened before?
No, it didn't.
Now, if we are playing a song, or audio book, or what ever kind of media,
and we press the power button, VO says the track position. Before VO said
the time. Now VO says the track position. It happened before?
No, it didn't.
I have taken the situation when VO stop talking, my phone is in silence
for
seconds, or minutes. Some times I have to turn off my phone, guessing
pressing the power button for 10 seconds, and making a double tab on the
screen, or just holding the power button for more than 10 seconds. What is
happening?
No body knows, but I am looking emails of people who is getting pretty
similar problems. it happened before?
No, it didn't!
How many, "no, It didn't", you want Sieghard?
. I understand that VO included new things in IOs 7, but why they have to
break things that were working well before?
In my opinion, apple didn't care every detail in this last IOs. Now, I am
talking about the problems with VO, and are so much more problems that are
not in this email. But add to this list the problems that people who is
not
voice over user is getting?
I am not saying that apple is not a good product. It is the better product
right now. But they are not taking care of details, as they have done
before. While Sangsum is improving and doing better phones every day,
apple
is not doing a good effort in this issue. So I am not talking about
hardware, I am talking about IOs developers.
In the last 2 versions of IOs, they included new things, but they broke
things that were working well before. One more thing, today we are in
November 10, 2013. In one more year, you will see that we will be talking
about new bugs, in the new IOs, and the bugs and problems that we are
getting now, will not be fixed all of them when the new Ios comes, even
though we will have to start, to restart again, with new bugs, and never
we
will be happy, because every year, they have a new IOs, and we have to
restart the hard process of report bugs, bugs that some will be fix, but
other never will be fix.
So Sieghard. In my opinion again. Apple makes great phones, but I can not
say the same thing of the last IOs that I have seen. Remember Sieghard. I
am
very interested in a iPhone or an iPad working well. I am the owner of
those
devices. The difference is that I want that apple makes a better effort
developing operated system. Our pressure to apple will be good for us, and
for apple also. When you make pressure on somebody, you make that person
stronger. When you make pressure on apple to fix these silly things that
before didn't work bad, but now are not working well, it will make apple
stronger. not Sangsum, not Sony, not Panasonic. Apple needs to do a best
effort with this issue. It is for apple, more than for us.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sieghard Weitzel" <siegh...@live.ca>
To: <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 4:13 PM
Subject: RE: When will Apple take this seriously?
Hello,
Here is my summary of this entire thread:
The original poster complained about 3 items and pointed out a fourth:
1. Hanging up phone calls is unreliable
2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it
or
save it to contacts
3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
Then Pablo jumped in with his well-known rant about how horrible Apple is
in
general because they make such expensive and terrible devices which don't
work, where people are forced to upgrade to iOS 7 and where generally
accessibility is terrible and where Pablo's "rights" are violated in a
number of ways.
As for Pablo's arguments, I have actually agreed with him in a very
general
way that Apple should give people the option to say if they wanted a new
iOS
to download automatically or not. At first I didn't see his point, but he
argued this point well and I agree there should be such an option.
However,
this is in my view the only issue. Apple is not forcing anybody to
upgrade
to iOS 7. Yes, they are pushing the update and it takes up space on your
phone, but you do not have to install it and I'll challenge anybody who
says
that iOS 7 magically installed on their phone without them doing anything
or
twice agreeing to the terms and conditions which simply does not happen.
If
Apple were to allow down the road that one could turn off the automatic
downloading then nobody including Pablo could complain in any way because
at
that point if they upgrade it is entirely their choice. It's already
their
choice, but let's say somebody has an 8 Gb phone and they really need to
free up that space so they install it, that is just a little big of
pressure
there even though you still decide to put up with iOS 7 in return for
getting back 2 Gb of space on your phone.
Now, as to the 4 items above:
1. Hanging up calls is unreliable
I actually find the 2-finger double tap works better in iOS 7 but that is
just my opinion. I think it's pretty safe to say though that it works at
least as well and I have up to this point and it's now 2 months since iOS
7
was released, not seen a single post where somebody asked about or
mentioned
a problem with the 2-finger double tap to hang up.
There is of course the other way to hang up a call which works 100% and
that
is to touch the End Cal lbutton which is really not hard to find as it's
right there about the ome Key and to double tap it.
As somebody else pointed out, it's not hard to check whether a call was
hung
up or is still connected.
2. He can't tap on a phone number in a text message or email to dial it
or
save it to contacts
This works flawlessly for me and judging by what others wrote also for
them.
A simple double tap on a phone number asks me whether I want to call it,
a
double tap and hold brings up the options to call, add to contacts etc.
I'd
really like to see how this isn't working on Avnish's phone who I think
was
the one who posted that all of this didn't work.
3. Filling out web forms is buggy.
This one I understand is an issue, I can't comment too much on it since I
don't use Safari much to fill out web forms. I have done a few Google
searches andwas able to type in a search term just find, the same on the
Audible site. Anyhow, if it is buggy then I sure hope those who find this
so
horrible have written to Apple about it. To me this is like voting. If I
talk to somebody about politics and they start a big rant about the
government I usually ask first if they voted in the last election. More
than
once somebody said that they don't vote in which case I usually tell them
that they might as well shut up then because if they don't participate in
electing the government then they have no right to complain. I am not
saying
Avnish hasn't written to Apple to explain places where encounters
problems,
but I see a lot of this on the list and I wonder if everybody also takes
the
time to compose a constructive email to accessibil...@apple.com to make
sure
they know about the issues.
4. Things worked better on his old Nokia with Talks.
Well, what can I say, Ricardo already said it. Talks has been gone for
some
time and no Nokia phone with Talks even at its best can do what the
iPhone
can do or even get close to the level of accessibility iOs offers. It's
of
course easier to offer accessibility for a device which has only half the
features of iOS. I remember trying to use Skype on my Windows Smartphone
with MobileSpeak and it was a complete joke and waste of time. Apps were
almost non-existent and I wore out the battery cover on my phone because
I
had to open it up so often to take the battery out when it crashed.
Apple has done more for main stream accessibility in the last 4 years
than
all other companies combined in the last 25 years yet here people are
complaining about the horrible accessibility and how buying an expensive
phone apparently gives them the right to have perfect accessibility and
everything else. Next thing I'm sure people thing Apple is responsible
for
them being blind to begin with. But of course Apple, the most successful
tech company ever, gets bashed left right and centre by everybody, why
not
by the blind. I for one find it is getting old and it's very tiring. I
also
don't think this attitude will motivate Apple do do better. Constructive
and
detailed reporting of bugs, maybe I should say "real bugs" not user error
bugs and well thought-out suggestions for improvements will eventually
make
things better, I'm sure the accessibility team is not twittling their
thumbs
but instead are working on fixing reported bugs and issues.
Regards,
Sieghard
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