Hi Frank Back in the 70's I used to fly Gliders (sailplanes) out of Gawler in South Australia under the flightpath of the Edinborough Airforce Base. It used to get quite exciting when one was at the 1900ft ceiling and the caribou's came through with supposedly a 2000 ft floor but felt more like a beat up. I think its a fairly long stretch though to compare what can happen when a vortice destroys the lift over one wing of an aircraft and flips it to suggesting the same can happen to a 60 lb round cannonball. Even the vortice off the tips of the small tow plane (usually a Piper Cub in those days) could give you a hard time when going from "low tow" below the tug to "High tow" above the tug if one was careless. I am not suggesting the effect is not real - but I would suggest caution in using this analogy. One suprising thing was how long the vortices lasted after they where generated - I have flown into them at least 10Km behind the generating aircraft. Regards JohnH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grimer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <vortex-L@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Beta-atmosphere and the Cavity Magnetron
> At 06:58 am 22/08/2005 +0100, Frank wrote: > > <snip> > > > >The first sentence of Shoulders "The Ugly" section reads, > > > > ===================================================== > > I think Hell has not a clue as to the fury of a bunch > > of electrons suddenly unleashed. > > ===================================================== > > > >Could an Alpha-atmosphere smoke ring (closed vortex) be seen > >as "furious"; more furious that is than simply blowing out a > >candle? > > > >Very definitely if the vortex is big enough. There have been > >instances where vortices shed by large airliners, such as > >the 747 have tipped over smaller airliners following in their > >wake. > > > >To be continued.... > > > >Frank Grimer > > > Having mentioned Hutchison previously in this thread I > thought I had better revisit his stuff though not with > any great enthusiasm since when I first investigated it > I was appalled by his hopelessly disorganised approach. > Fortunately, the first reference I came across was a > concise summary of the work - NOT written by Hutchison. 8-) > > ============================================================== > The Hutchison Effect -- An Explanation > by Mark A. Solis > > People often ask, "What exactly is the Hutchison Effect?" > This brief essay is an attempt to answer that question to the > satisfaction of the majority. > First of all, the Hutchison Effect is a collection of > phenomena which were discovered accidentally by John Hutchison > during attempts to study the longitudinal waves of Tesla back > in 1979. In other words, the Hutchison Effect is not simply a > singular effect. It is many. > The Hutchison Effect occurs as the result of radio wave > interferences in a zone of spatial volume encompassed by high > voltage sources, usually a Van de Graff generator, and two or > more Tesla coils. > The effects produced include levitation of heavy objects, > fusion of dissimilar materials such as metal and wood (exactly > as portrayed in the movie, "The Philadelphia Experiment"), the > anomalous heating of metals without burning adjacent material, > spontaneous fracturing of metals (which separate by sliding in > a sideways fashion), and both temporary and permanent changes > in the crystalline structure and physical properties of metals. > The levitation of heavy objects by the Hutchison Effect > is not---repeat not---the result of simple electrostatic or > electromagnetic levitation. Claims that these forces alone > can explain the phenomenon are patently ridiculous, and easily > disproved by merely trying to use such methods to duplicate > what the Hutchison Effect has achieved, which has been well > documented both on film and videotape, and has been witnessed > many times by numerous credentialed scientists and engineers. > Challengers should note that their apparatus must be limited > to the use of 75 Watts of power from a 120 Volt AC outlet, as > that is all that is used by Hutchison's apparatus to levitate > a 60-pound cannon ball. > The fusion of dissimilar materials, which is exceedingly > remarkable, indicates clearly that the Hutchison Effect has a > powerful influence on Van der Waals forces. In a striking and > baffling contradiction, dissimilar substances can simply "come > together," yet the individual substances do not dissociate. A > block of wood can simply "sink into" a metal bar, yet neither > the metal bar nor the block of wood come apart. Also, there > is no evidence of displacement, such as would occur if, for > example, one were to sink a stone into a bowl of water. > The anomalous heating of metal without any evidence of > burning or scorching of the adjacent materials (usually wood) > is a clear indication that possibly the nature of heat may not > be completely understood. This has far-reaching implications > for thermodynamics, which hinges entirely on the presumption > of such knowledge. It should be noted that the entirety of > thermodynamics is represented by the infrared portion of the > electromagnetic spectrum, which is insignificant in a context > of 0 Hz to infinite Hz. The anomalous heating exhibited by > the Hutchison Effect shows plainly that we have much to learn, > especially where thermodynamics and electromagnetism meet. > The spontaneous fracturing of metals, as occurs with the > Hutchison Effect, is unique for two reasons: (1) there is no > evidence of an "external force" causing the fracturing, and > (2) the method by which the metal separates involves a sliding > motion in a sideways direction, horizontally. The metal simply > comes apart. > Some temporary changes in the crystalline structure and > physical properties of metals are somewhat reminiscent of the > "spoon bending" of Uri Geller, except that there is no one near > the metal samples when the changes take place. One video shows > a spoon flapping up and down like a limp rag in a stiff breeze. > In the case of permanent changes, a metal bar will be hard at > one end, like steel, and soft at the other end, like powdered > lead. Again, this is evidence of strong influence on Van der > Waals forces. > The radio wave interferences involved in producing these > effects are produced from as many as four and five different > radio sources, all operating at low power. However, the zone > in which the interferences take place is stressed by hundreds > of kilovolts. > It is surmised by some researchers that what Hutchison > has done is tap into the Zero Point Energy. This energy gets > its name from the fact that it is evidenced by oscillations > at zero degrees Kelvin, where supposedly all activity in an > atom ceases. The energy is associated with the spontaneous > emission and annihilation of electrons and positrons coming > from what is called "the quantum vacuum." The density of the > energy contained in the quantum vacuum is estimated by some at > ten to the thirteenth Joules per cubic centimeter, which is > reportedly sufficient to boil off the Earth's oceans in a > matter of moments. > Given access to such energies, it is small wonder that > the Hutchison Effect produces such bizarre phenomena. At the > present time, the phenomena are difficult to reproduce with > any regularity. The focus for the future, then, is first to > increase the frequency of occurence of the effects, then to > achieve some degree of precision in their control. > The work is continuing at this time. Before long, we > shall see what progress can be made. > > Shreveport, Louisiana > February 16, 1999 > ============================================================== > > I nearly fell off my chair when I read the above. Would you > believe it! - Clearly, Hutch has been generating B-a smoke rings. > Talk about "He has put down the mighty from their seat, He has > exhaulted the humble". Still perhaps had Hutch been more scientific > about things he wouldn't have built the crazy lash-ups he did. > > Look at the clues and compare them with the known features of > the generation and action of Alpha-atmosphere vortices. > > The Royal Institution smoke ring generator consists simply of > a box with a flexible membrane at one end and a round hole at > the other. The smoke ring is generated by striking the flexible > membrane. This pushes smoke out of the hole and the forms a > smoke ring which rolls over the bench towards the candle. > > Now clearly, the striking of the membrane is a longitudinal > action. But in the second paragraph Solis writes:- > > ============================================ > .....the Hutchison Effect is a collection of > phenomena which were discovered accidentally > by John Hutchison during attempts to study > the longitudinal waves of Tesla back > in 1979. > ============================================ > > Note the words, "longitudinal waves". Hutch must have done > the Beta-atmosphere equivalent of "striking the flexible > membrane." - That takes care of the generation end. > > Now for the action end. > > Well, there is plenty to chose from but lets just pick the > levitation of "a 60-pound cannon ball". > > If an Alpha-atmosphere vortex ring generated by a 747 can flip > a small airliner, then, sure as God made little green apples > a Tesla generated Beta-atmosphere vortex ring can flip a cannon > ball - no sweat! > > As Shoulders pointed out in "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly"... > > ================================================= > For the uninitiated to get a feel for the > calculations involved with the Coulomb force, see > the following website: > > http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/elefor.html > > The website does calculations for you using > whatever numbers you put in, but in the simple > example given, 1 ampere of current is allowed > to flow for 1 second in two 100 watt lighting > circuits yielding 1 Coulomb of like charge each > separated by 1 meter of distance. The force > calculated between these two charge sources is > 1 million tons! The same force would be available > using only 10 milliamperes of current flowing > for 100 seconds. This could be done with a > minuscule piece of apparatus operating out of a > backpack, as the trap and attendant circuits > are very small.... > ================================================= > > ...the Beta-atmosphere involves enormous forces. > > > It's funny really. The people who observed the Hutchison experiments > were in the same unenviable position as the people who observed > meteorites before the idea that chunks of iron could fall from the > sky was acceptable. Since they were clearly men of integrity and > could not be accused of lying, the Dr Porks of this world would have > had to accuse them of being duped, and therefore, implicitly pretty > stupid. > > Once one realises what was going on, it is clear, they were simply > telling the unvarnished truth. > > Cheers, > > Frank Grimer > > [I'll have to see if I can google an account of that plane flipping > incident] > > >
